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  •  Who is the "Repeal the 2A" crowd? Is there (4+ / 0-)

    any research/data that shows how many people support repealing the 2A? Articles about their efforts, successes/failures?

    Maybe that idea was more prevelent in the past, but I wonder if that idea "Repeal the 2A" is not largely a marketing concept drempt up by the gun lobby/manufaturers to drive sales, ie, "Obama's (or insert any Dem) coming to take your guns, better buy while you can"

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:58:48 AM PST

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    •  Which is why there's a Repeal the Second Amendment (11+ / 0-)

      group here at DailyKos.

      Are you saying RASA is funded by the NRA/GOA/Remington/Colt/etc to drive up sales?

      That's entertaining...

      •  No, you said that, and that's entertaining. (0+ / 0-)

        But not very useful - still no answer to the question.

        I think repealing the 2A was much more popular 30 to 50 years ago coming out of the 60s, 70s, 80s when crime was soaring (especially in the inner city) as well as political assassinations.

        Today, that idea has morphed into "Obama's (insert Dem) going to take your guns" and the gun lobby/manufacturers have latched onto it as a marketing tactic.

        Disagree?

        "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

        by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:13:52 AM PST

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        •  The idea was there. The Democrats in Cali, (5+ / 0-)

          NY, and Colorado banned firearms OR parts for firearms. Is it ALL firearms? No.

          •  Right - it wasn't repeal the 2A. So, still no (0+ / 0-)

            answer?

            I guess the silence is deafening? And so, yes, you agree that the "repeal the 2A" concept is more gun lobby marketing ploy than an actual movement to accomplish a 2A repeal?

            "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

            by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:22:20 AM PST

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            •  I was responding to this: (7+ / 0-)
              Today, that idea has morphed into "Obama's (insert Dem) going to take your guns" and the gun lobby/manufacturers have latched onto it as a marketing tactic.
              That idea hasn't morphed from a "popular RASA" ideology a few decades ago. That idea came from the AWB of 1994, the proposed AWB of DiFi, the banning of certain firearms by Cali and NY, the banning of certain firearm parts by Colorado, and more. So are gun manufacturers and dealers latching on to the latest gun bans to sell more shit? Yep. Not arguing that.

              My comment was RASA being NRA funded was made with tongue stuck firmly in cheek.

              •  Yes, I realize all that - the questions were: how (0+ / 0-)

                large, what is, who is, what have been the successes/failures of the movement to repeal the 2A? In other words, is there a real movement with enough power to actually repeal the 2A?

                That was an honest question, looking for an honest answer. I don't know, but my impression is that it is not that large and is not that powerful.

                When I hear someone say/write in effect the repeal the 2A crowd would never accept only background checks, or bans of certain weapons/ammo and other incremental gun safety legislation, and that only a full repeal of the 2A would satisfy them, it sounds to me like something Wayne LaPierre would say - ie, "it's a slippery slope, you can't trust them - they are coming for ALL your guns. Licensing and registration is the first step towards a government taking all guns from everyone" ie, repealing the 2A.

                But maybe I am wrong and there is in fact a very large and powerful movement that is intent on repealing the 2A??

                "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:37:50 AM PST

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                •  I think with your "enough power" caveat, there (5+ / 0-)

                  isn't.

                  •  So, there is a substantial group who (0+ / 0-)

                    think guns are bad and they should be abolished but a lot of these are people who are casually aware of the entire issue and they may not even vote. There is a smaller core group who wants a 2A repeal, but they don't have a lot of power.

                    That's my impression.

                    So back to why I asked the question:

                    So, try to convince the "Repeal the Second Amendment" crowd to endorse the above "regulated like automobiles" viewpoint and let us know how it works out.
                    I don't think there is a large repeal the 2A crowd on DKos or in the larger public and that what they think would not matter so much in that debate, and so, they are largely irrelevant as to the question of regulating guns like automobiles.

                     In fact, if the pro gun side offered regulating guns like autos, I think it would pass in the blink of an eye.

                    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                    by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:56:08 AM PST

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                    •  It would work out well for me (1+ / 0-)
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                      I would rather there were no second amendment despite the fact that I'm a gun owner and hunter.  Guns are not a symbol of freedom to me, just tools for self-defense or hunting that require training to use and special responsibility for the safety of others.  I want to see better gun regulations and I view certain people's interpretations of the second amendment as obstacles to that goal.  If the second amendment were done away with (or at least read properly), we could get to the business of regulating guns at least a little more like automobiles without the gun rights extremists acting like it were the collapse of civilization itself.  

                      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

                      by Mark Mywurtz on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 12:27:06 PM PST

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        •  You'd have a point (5+ / 0-)

          If their argument wasn't in fact reality based. I know multiple people who have Obama buyer's remorse over this one issue. They poo pooed their republican fiends who told them "Obama wants to take your guns!!!" "No he doesn't, that's silly" they said. Then the executive orders started coming down, then draconian proposals like ammo taxes and magazine bans started being floated...

          •  But that's not a repeal of the 2A. (0+ / 0-)

            "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

            by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:40:58 AM PST

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            •  It isn't (8+ / 0-)

              It's just an attempt to destroy it via death by a thousand cuts.

              •  Is it? What proof do you have that gun safety (1+ / 0-)
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                legislation is nothing more than a larger scheme to repeal the 2A?

                If guns were regulated like automobiles, and that were the extent of it - would you be OK with that?

                Because the idea that all gun safety advocates are really just a Trojan Horse for a full repeal of the 2A plays right into the hands of gun makers - ie, any hint of gun safety legislation is evidence of a imminent gun grab, so you better stock up now. We better sell more AR-15s to make sure they are in "common use" so that when the day comes that they are before the S.C. that's considering a ban on them, we can make the case that they are commonly used and that they are a "modern sporting rifle". That's all about marketing and sales, growing market share, growing earnings and distributions to investors ... it's not about protecting against a tyrannical government.

                Expanding gun laws and gun ownership is not about freedom - it's about growing profits and satisfying shareholders and investors. Guns are products and should be better regulated as such.

                Cars and cigarettes kill, but we still have them. Don't you think gun regulation can follow a similar path?

                I do.

                "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                by We Shall Overcome on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 10:26:32 AM PST

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