Skip to main content

View Diary: Choose: Mercenaries or our soldiers (130 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  The Prince Ch XII (4.00)
    From Machiavelli's The Prince CH XXII

    . Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe.
    For they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies;.... The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you.....

    when arms have to be resorted to, either by a prince or a republic, then the prince ought to go in person and perform the duty of captain, the republic has to send its citizens,

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 07:00:08 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  Ah this was for me (none)
      I agree that we should be suspicious of mercs, but what I'm sugesting would a take mercs from their privliged position and subject them to military justice.  Now mercs can threaten innocent Iraqis, and get away scot free, if drafted they would face a court martial and hard time in Leavenworth. By nationalizing the mercs we'd stop the growth of mercs, and could have more money to give combat bonuses for soldiers.
      •  I agree its a big problem (4.00)
        Down thread a bit there is a story I Quoted from talking about how they had to invoke the fricking Patriot Act (the bit about granting US extra -territorial JD for crimes committed on US facilties overseas) Just to Charge a CIA contractor who beat a prisoner to death.   The article also talks about a 2000 law that subject civillians accompanying the military to the UCMJ.

        Now here's where the gaping hole comes in:  The CIA Contractor was charged because he was on a US base,  the logistical support guys from KBR can be charged because they accompany the military.

           Who does that leave out?   Yep.  all those mercenaries running around IRAq working for private concerns, who don't do their dirty work on US bases.  The only entity with the ability to charge them is the Iraqi civil authorities.  Unfortunately they are a mite busy right now dodging car bombs; and even if they DID want to prosecute, they probably couldn't.  If the contractor spirits the merc out of country, how would  the Iraqi's get them back for trial?  I'm reasonably certain we don't have an extradition treaty with them yet.

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 07:49:02 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Extra judiciality (none)
          Subtlety not always a strength for the Kossack.  

          Nationalization would bring the mercs under the authority of the US military, where they'd be subeject to military justice.  I think that England and all the rest from Abu Ghraib were following the direction of private contractors.  Soldiers took the fall, the mercs walked.  No justice in that. If there firms were nationalized and the employees drafted they would be forced to go to prision.  By bringing the use of force back under the aegis of the state, the plausible deniability created by mercs dissapears. And the shit starts to fly.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site