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  •  I bet she's going through her email records today (22+ / 0-)

    The Lt. Gov will tell only as much truth as necessary to keep her out of jail.

    We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

    by Dallasdoc on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 10:01:13 AM PST

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    •  I bet she went through them last week. (16+ / 0-)

      And has them on flash drives in multiple hands and safe deposit boxes.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

      by nailbender on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 10:31:48 AM PST

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      •  Why do people think deleting email will help? (10+ / 0-)

        Most if not all mail servers, archive incoming and outgoing email. See the email sources from the two first figures in the scandal("time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee") . The email was from a Gmail or Yahoo account instead of an official state account. Yet all of those are archived at the relay. When nasty emails are brought up through discovery, rarely do investigators depend on the sender's computer.

        Even then , most public officials use some sort of client like Outlook and believe when they delete a email, it's gone for ever.

        1. All they did was send it to a delete file.
        2. Even if one deletes all the email from the delete file, it can be recovered in multiple ways.  

        But why bother when it's sitting on at least three computers

        1. The relay server the sender uses.
        2. The end mail server the receivers uses
        3. The Computer of the receiver.

        These sources are just the basics too . There is commercially available software that will recover an entire drive. You literally have to go out and shoot a bullet in a drive to make it safe or some other method like a huge electricity spike that bricks the drive.

        That also has to happen in three other places too. There is no chance at all that any email that was sent that covered Mayor Zimmer has been completely destroyed or hidden. Less than a year's worth of archiving is nothing at all

        “ Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men. ” — Demosthenes

        by Dburn on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 01:44:15 PM PST

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        •  Ignorance (5+ / 0-)

          You are referring to people were stupid enough to blatantly discuss illegal activity in emails. Apparently they were under the illusion that was a safe thing to do.

        •  Very well said and mostly correct. (1+ / 0-)
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          This, however, isn't usually the case:

          The relay server the sender uses [keeps a copy of the email].
          There's far too much traffic through email relay servers to keep copies of all messages which transit them.  Very rarely do such relay servers keep a copy of the email for very long after they've forwarded it on.

          "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

          by rfall on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 02:31:19 PM PST

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          •  I agree. Not all do, but there are some legal (1+ / 0-)
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            requirements for email archiving especially for any govt entity , law firms etc. It's a number of years but I can't recall the exact figure.

            “ Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men. ” — Demosthenes

            by Dburn on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 03:40:20 PM PST

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        •  And (2+ / 0-)
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          4.  The NSA

        •  Not *entirely* true (3+ / 0-)
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          for a service like GMail, you're absolutely right.

          But if you control your own server, yes, you can destroy its hard disk with "extreme prejudice".  

          I remember how difficult it was to get mail out of the Bush Administration.  Backups, well, they just "disappeared" and no one could find them.

          Quote of the week: "They call themselves bipartisan because they're able to buy members of both parties," (R. Eskow, Campaign for America's Future.)

          by mbayrob on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 05:16:46 PM PST

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        •  bit easier than the bullet method to delete stuff (1+ / 0-)
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          but as someone who has written recovery software, I agree -- it's not THAT easy to simply delete emails.

          For that matter, modern OS's and email clients use databases that leave enough metadata around that SOMETHING existed there that you can tell there's a hole where something was.  Often even the title.

          That's changing with SSDs where actual recovery of deleted stuff will be a thing of the past, but practically speaking that's a few years off.

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          I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
          —Spike Milligan

          by polecat on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 07:13:04 AM PST

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