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  •  More propaganda and whisper campaign. (10+ / 0-)

    Michael Morell, former CIA Deputy Director, new CBS News contributor taking the place of John Miller, when questioned about Rogers suggesting Russia may have helped Snowden, may have played a larger role than "we" imagine, said:

    So we just don't know, we just don't know, but like Chairman Rogers, I am concerned. There's a couple of -- there's a couple of incidents that are classified, so I can't talk about them, but they raise questions and they are being investigated.

    The other thing that worries me is that what's happening here is not just the disclosure of information related to the privacy and civil liberties of Americans, which is what Ed Snowden says he's all about, but there's disclosures that are undermining the broad capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community. I would think that's what Russia is interested in.  

    Starting at 1:39

    http://www.cbsnews.com/...

    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

    by gooderservice on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 11:23:42 AM PST

    •  Yeah, it's all too secret to talk about (9+ / 0-)

      And you can't sue us for violating your constitutional rights because you can't prove that we did anything because it's all too secret to talk about.

      Around here, such talk would be labeled CT.  Perhaps I'll start saying, "I know 9/11 was an inside job, but my proof is too secret to reveal, and it would hurt people if I revealed it."

      In the end, it just says, "Trust us."  On that front, the track record is not reassuring.  Authoritarianism, pure and simple.  Or, as the estimable Marjorie Cohn puts it

      If the court allows the NSA to continue its metadata collection, we will reside in what can only be characterized as a police state.

      Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

      by geomoo on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 11:33:29 AM PST

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    •  The more things change, the more they stay (7+ / 0-)

      the same ...

      Seems like I've heard this before ... oh yeah, 1947

      John Howard Lawson testifying before the HUAC:

      "Today, we face a serious crisis in the determination of national policy. The only way to solve that crisis is by free discussion. Americans must know the facts. The only plot against American safety is the plot to conceal facts. ..."

      http://historymatters.gmu.edu/...
      "They Want to Muzzle Public Opinion"

    •  Those who talk about what they cannot talk about (1+ / 0-)
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      only raise the question, why then talk about what you say you cannot talk about?

      There's a couple of -- there's a couple of incidents that are classified, so I can't talk about them, but they raise questions and they are being investigated.

      For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

      by allenjo on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 01:11:43 PM PST

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      •  In other words: Snowden = Bad. (1+ / 0-)
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        NSA = Good.

        Now shut up and listen.

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 01:43:21 PM PST

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        •  co-ordinated attack on Sunday, all sent out (2+ / 0-)
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          with their talking points

          On 3 network shows,  4 idiots, all saying the same, Snowden Bad.....

          Sen. Dianne Feinstein

          Rep. Mike Rogers

          Rep. Michael McCaul

          Tom Donilon

          For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

          by allenjo on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 02:02:19 PM PST

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          •  fabricated baseless claims against whistleblowers (1+ / 0-)
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            and dissidents........

            Officials, as they do today against dissidents or whistleblowers, fabricated baseless claims when they were being held accountable for illegal activities.
            There were people then who suggested transparency might prove it was okay that the government had used vast spying capabilities in the manner in which it did against antiwar activists, civil rights leaders, communists and other left wing organizers.

            Government agencies nor private companies should hold databases with massive amounts of data on populations in America and the world.

            They most certainly should not maintain a joint intelligence gathering relationship that enables secret unchecked surveillance with neither taking full responsibility for intruding on privacy of citizens.

            http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/...

            For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

            by allenjo on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 02:33:26 PM PST

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