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  •  Well, what we can't outsource, let's robotize. (10+ / 0-)

    Jobs, jobs, jobs. For robots.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:05:34 PM PST

    •  We need to start reading 'em Ayn Rand. (6+ / 0-)

      They'll get so outraged at being makers in a land of takers they'll go Galt.

      I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

      by Crashing Vor on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:20:37 PM PST

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    •  The robots are coming alright (6+ / 0-)

      This is making me rethink the ownership of "means of production".

      Why You Should Revolt Against the 'Robot Uprising'

      According to statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the manufacturing industry lost 2.3 million jobs in the most recent recession. Since then, factories have only regained 526,000 jobs, a sad sign of Jobs' visionary nature. A promotional video on the Mac Pro's assembly clearly shows what led Apple to produce the new computers in the U.S.: robots, not people.
      Unfortunately, not everyone is as interested in giving their company a human touch. The Economist reported as far back as 2011 that Foxconn had planned to "hire" 1 million robots for it factory floors. But the Chinese company has also invested in a manufacturing facility in Harrisburg, Pa., upping the staff from 30 to 500 people. Located near Carnegie Mellon's Robotics Institute, the factory is building -- you guessed it -- more robots.
      The Player Piano world is upon us.

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      by Shockwave on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:48:58 PM PST

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      •  The genie is already out of the bottle. Instead... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... we need a new sort of economics to deal with it. Part of the good news is that it's possible that manufacturing may become less centralized over the upcoming decades as 3 D printers and robots become more personalized and ubiquitous just as computers have become. Large centralized corporations may be on the way out over the next couple of decades as people begin producing more goods for themselves.

        I've also felt for years that products which can be digitalized such as music, books, and soon physical objects become commoditized and there may be an overwhelming need for original authorship and ownership of design to be accounted for much better. We need an economy which tracks and pays in some fashion for such goods and services to the originator who needs to have certain rights not now in place. Perhaps money as we know it may become only one of many different forms of legal (and extralegal) tender.

    •  Labor-saving devices (8+ / 0-)

      So, how 'bout that 4-day workweek, eh?

      Also, how 'bout not automating things that don't improve people's lives, especially those that involve human interaction? Went to the train "station" where there's no station but a platform, a ticket machine, and a bunch of security cameras. The experience would be a lot more enjoyable without the cameras and with a couple of railroad workers there to staff the place.

      Instead we get things like Sen. Schumer proposing to address the problem of a train engineer dozing off with more cameras, rather than with a second engineer.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:52:56 PM PST

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      •  4 day work-week absolutely. 1/2 of us = no jobs (1+ / 0-)
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        pretty soon.  We need to rethink much of our economic paradigm.  

        Not only must we accept a government provided guaranteed annual income - with a job of some kind attached, not as a sop to the rightwing but bc ofrced non-productiveness is de-humanizing.  But also, new ways to fund small business start-ups, bc they will increasingly be the only way to be 'employed' that 'grows' the 'private sector'.  

        Its not like the top of pyramid will not have the $$ to fund the rest of us.  When 20% get 1/2 the income, and 50% of us fight over the bottom 20% of the pie, there's a lot of 'fat' to tax there.  And its in the tops best interest to be taxed for these purposes.  Indeed, that is increasingly going to be the only way they are going to have consumers for the stuff they need to sell to remain the top.  

        And its not as if there isn't a shiteton of work for the government to pay people to do.  The roads and bridges, the railroads, the airports, the ports the top 20% use to move the goods they make their $$ off of desperately need repair and modernizing.  Just to mention one need. All of which would make the top 20% even more $$.   Heck, they'd benefit even if we were just paying to clean trash from the highways.

        But, what's that?  Its soschillizam!? Well, nevermind then.  Let all us well-armed unemployed just stew until we decide to kill the frakking rich and take their stuff.  

        It'll make for some nice movies anyway.  Robocop, anyone?

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