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  •  Nobody is saying (none)
    not to fight for other issues--that's your strawman.

    All of the issues you raise are important and not a single person here is saying otherwise.  Jesus.

    What we are saying, though, is that this issue is critical at the moment.  If you are unable to figure out why that is, well, I feel sorry for you.  

    •  Then I guess I will have to live with your (none)
      deep felt sympathy - because I do NOT think that even if you think abortion is the #1 issue right now, that you should shout that out.

      As said above by someone else, we have really done well holding onto our majorities in the House and Senate being pro-choice, haven't we?? The Americans have really supported us on this, yup, can't you tell as we lose more representatives every single election? Our chess game has been at the top of its form, hasn't it. So y'all keep yelling about the same issue, over and over, and Americans will support you as they have the last 10 years.

      If I were a republican, I would be licking my chops at the screams over abortion from the democrats.  Because then I could get away with an individual who hates individuals' rights and the environment.

      "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention."

      by adigal on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:38:32 AM PDT

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      •  Jeez (none)
        They haven't supported us because they don't think abortion will be made illegal. They will support us if the spectre of illegal abortion is there. Besides, abortion debate is 30 years old and how many pro-choice Democrats have won around the country in this period? Quite a few including last POTUS.
      •  Here's the thing (none)
        We disagree with you and say so, and say why.

        Why do you object to that? People explained why and you act as if there is some attack on you.

        If they were shouting you down with no facts that would be one thing. But they aren't.

        I think your complaints are unseemly.

        The SCOTUS is Extraordinary.

        by Armando on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:45:10 AM PDT

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        •  I am arguing for my point of view (none)
          I think making this about abortion is going to alienate a lot of voters who would perhaps be leaning towards the Dems right now. How is that being personally sensitive towards any attacks on me?? Where did I mention one time that I felt personally attacked? I said it is a waste discussing abortion on this site, because people start screaming right away, things like,

          "Pardon me but what the hell?

          At what point to you feel the need to stand up for anything? We disagree on a lot of things. But this isn't one of them. A moderate conservative to the court is what we need to be fighting to accomplish- not just for abortion but for a lot of other issues as well."

           I never even responded on a personal level to this, so what are you talking about? I think you need to go back and look at some responses to my statements.

          You can try to make my disagreement with you over this just because I am just some "overly sensitive female," but this is about ideas and strategy in my book.  Sorry - I admire a lot of what you write but I think you are way off base here.

          "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention."

          by adigal on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:04:26 AM PDT

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          •  You're wrong (none)
            It will, however wake up many pro-choice libertarians and moderate Republicans who haven't voted on this issue because they assumed the battle was over and done.

            Why do you think Bush ran around calling Roe V. Wade "the law of the land" during the last election?  Why do you think he spoke to his anti-abortion base in code words?

            This is dangerous territory for Republicans and they know it.  It's one thing to go after teenage girls and made up procedures,  it's a far different thing to go wholly after the right to choose.

            Having said all of this, I agree with you in one sense.  I don't think we should stress Roe alone.  I think we should stress Griswald and the right to privacy in general, which are surely under threat.

            And I think we should bring up the Schiavo debacle as many times as humanly possible during the course of this battle.  

            •  I think you're wrong (none)
              I think BushCo have no intention of overturning Roe vs. Wade.  How, then, would they ever get any Christian Evangelical voters out?? They tend to stay home unless all fired up.  

              "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention."

              by adigal on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 03:20:48 PM PDT

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