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  •  The underlying assumption. (0+ / 0-)

    Underlying the move to kill the sanctions bill is trust that Iran will comply with its promise to curb its ability to produce nuclear weapons. Why? We have very little except Iranian words to confirm its withdrawal from the nuclear stage.

    What must be remembered - and I submit this is no exaggeration - is the specter  of nuclear weapons and the devastation they can create. Herein is the balance: additional sanctions to strengthen  the block against Iranian nuclear weapon development or the possibility that nuclear bombs will find their way into irrational or terrorist hands. Given the latter, I have very little concern for Iranian sensibilities. I also reject the false premise that the choice is between sanctions or war.

    •  What exactly are you saying? (1+ / 0-)
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      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 01:25:36 PM PST

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      •  My case for the sanctions is clear. (0+ / 0-)

        Diplomacy is built on trust or, at least, mutual advantage based on rational considerations. For the Iranians, these considerations are called into question based on their past behavior (American hostage taking, support of terrorist organizations, etc.). The one thing that brought them to negotiate  their nuclear capability was sanctions. This the Iranians understand since sanctions have played havoc with their economy and the resulting unrest threatened the reigning power structure.

        The Iranian move to develop nuclear weapons must not just be curtained, it must be irrevocably stopped. It takes sanctions to do this.      

        •  Of Jeez! (2+ / 0-)
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          Their effort must be curtained?

          "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

          by elwior on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 01:53:33 PM PST

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        •  "little except words"?? (4+ / 0-)
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          Unless I'm hugely misunderstanding the parameters of the present "deal" being outlined in Geneva, the Iranians have to agree to an internationally supervised system of inspections - the sort that most Americans would rise up in fury against as an obscene violation of national sovereignty if required of US - to insure that their nuclear programs don't violate the NPT provisions. Oh, and also, IIRC, the economic sanctions on Iran aren't to be completely lifted unless and until Iran first agrees to, and then implements the inspection regime.

          So to paraphrase Ronald Reagan: "Mistrust, but verify"....  

        •  Finally, someone that speaks to me (6+ / 0-)

          I don't trust the damn Persians.

          I don't trust Native Americans. They are a bunch of drunks.

          I don't trust all these Mexicans taking our jobs.

          I don't trust Ayrabs. They are all terrists.

          Don't get me started on the Irish.

          Can you imagine if those damn Persian rug makers were to get the bomb and level a city like we did twice?

    •  I don't agree (8+ / 0-)

      about the underlying assumption you assert, as well as the false premise you allude to about sanctions = war  The president and 10 senate committee chairs in a letter, Diane Feinstein on the Senate Floor laid out the underlying assumptions for killing the Bill.  And they had nothing to do with trust.  The president, SOS, and VP all said it wasn't about trust.

      Do you need links?

      Herein is the balance:   The sanctions bill increases the liklihood Iran will develop a weapon.

    •  If anybody deserves not to be trusted it's US (18+ / 0-)

      Everytime we conned someone into giving up WMDs - think Hussein, Ghaddafi - we followed up with an invasion and the wholesale destruction of a country.

      And, by the way, as a signatory of NPT, Iran has every right to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes (as we wanted Iran to do when it was ruled by our puppet the Shah). Our attempt to impede this, at the behest of special-interest lobbies, by the use of sanctions or, worse, the threat of recourse to violence, is dishonest - especially when we turn a blind eye to our "mates" who are not signatories of NPT and have stockpiled nukes.

      We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

      by Lepanto on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 01:42:54 PM PST

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