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  •  Likely goes well beyond the locker room (0+ / 0-)

    There is a tendency--an unfortunate--in many critiques of rape culture to define an "other" profile of male rapists.  However, to my knowledge, there has never been any serious epidemiology done relating broad social and political behavior with sex offender propensity, only narrow behavior queues and even then only in small sample studies to assist in police profiling.  Another commenter mentioned that we were likely locking up the worst of the worst--recidivists who were bound to be caught in the first place.  If the rates of unreported rape stand up to scrutiny, it's probable that offenders look very little like the typical convict.  In fact, the only hard profile of offenders we really have are that they are overwhelmingly male.

    Anecdotal experience and the precautionary principle leads me to conclude--provisionally at least--that any man is as likely to offend as another under some family of stressors.

    •  I've run into two studies on the rates (4+ / 0-)

      of rapists in the general male population. One was of college students and came up with about 8%; the other was of Navy enlistees and came up with about 13%. Together we're looking at about 10% of young males having raped previously, with about 3% being repeat offenders.

      (One may wonder how you can do such studies since few would admit to being rapists. It's actually surprisingly easy. You simply don't use the word "rape", you describe miscellaneous sexual situations which are rape and ask if they've done them.)

      Think about those numbers for a second. How many guys do you have on your Facebook list?  Odds are, 10% of them have raped and 3% are serial rapists. Apply the same to even just members of your extended family.

      All of this should be obvious, of course. Given that a third of women will be raped at least once at some point in their lives, it's not like there's only five guys out there raping everyone. It's common. It's everywhere. And it's people you know.

      The most commonly used weapon is alcohol, used in 2/3rds of cases. The next most common is drugs. It's obvious in retrospect - how much do you think a rapist wants their victim remembering the event? They want them wasted out of their mind. Also, the studies show that once people start using drugs to commit rape, they generally use only drugs in the future, due to the effectiveness and ease of getting away with it. Serial rapists are the most likely to use drugs to commit rape.

      Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

      by Rei on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 04:16:48 AM PST

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      •  I totally don't believe that 1 in 3 (1+ / 0-)
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        women will be "raped" in their lives.  Now, if you tell me that 1 in 3 women may "believe" that they've been raped in their lives, I might believe that, but I'd still have my doubts.

        Just because you reluctantly have sex with somebody, that does't make it rape.  The world is full of wives (and husbands) who reluctantly have consensual sex with their partners, when they'd rather just roll over and go to sleep.  That doesn't make it "rape".  At least not to me.

        And, most drunk women who have reluctant, or regrettable, sex weren't held down and force-fed a case of beer.

        •  Women don't deserve to be believed (1+ / 0-)
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          Everyone knows bitches lie, amirite? /sarc

          By the way, just because you "believe" something, doesn't make it factual. You might not like it, but your "belief" doesn't have the same weight as studies, statistics, history, and research. See also: truthiness.

          Also you seem pretty uninformed. Might I suggest http://rainn.org/ or http://www.mavaw.org/ ?

          "We need institutions and cultural norms that make us better than we tend to be. It seems to me that the greatest challenge we now face is to build them." -Sam Harris, neuroscientist

          by MarthaPeregrine on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:35:14 AM PST

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        •  Ugh, I don't know what's worse (2+ / 0-)
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          That you wrote that, or that it got a plus one.

          First off there is no "what rape is to me". There is no fuzzy line. If you don't get affirmative consent, every time, it's rape. It doesn't have to be some sort of signed contract. It doesn't even have to be spoken - smiling and pulling you closer when making out, that sort of stuff is affirmative consent. But there must be affirmative consent, every time, period. And I sincerely hope to god you're getting it, and if not, and if you plan to keep it up, I hope you end up in jail, quickly.

          Secondly, when was the last time you took your "bitches they be lyin" attitude to any OTHER types of crime? Because the rates of false rape accusation are no higher than rates of false car theft accusation, false burglary accusation, false assault accusation, false kidnapping association, etc.

          Nah, bitches, they be lyin!

          If you're in the market for a move, may I recommend Steubenville?

          Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

          by Rei on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:54:18 AM PST

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          •  rmp690 does have something of a point (1+ / 0-)
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            Not every sexual assault is rape under the law, and the law clearly perceives degrees of sexual offenses.  Pointedly, any time consent is absent should be considered a sexual offense.  The question is whether that offense is rape, and if so in what degree.

            And I'll tell you right now; there's another side of the coin to rape culture: the self-righteous outrage the mob unleashes when pursuing "justice" for the victims.  This is unfortunate for two reasons:

            1) This retrograde attitude casts as so heinous a particular crime that society is loathe to hold to account anyone who might be guilty in the particulars if it hits too close to home (and given the incidence of rape, it invariably does).
            2) Since "justice" sought is little more than revenge, there's little effort to try and understand causes and devise means of preventing sexual predation.  Hence the insultingly weak "don't rape" so-called education campaign.

        •  I don't find that figure implausible (1+ / 0-)
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          It's a lifetime risk.  Rape is presumably more common than murder, in which your lifetime risk is something on the order of 1 in 200.  So that's a gap of two orders of magnitude: does anyone here really think that rape incidence couldn't be hundred times more prevalent than homicide?

          That said, the law does define a whole host of sexual offenses, and rape is by and large defined as penetration without freely given consent.  Under that standard, "reluctant" sex certainly does count, insofar as consent is acquired through coercion.

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            That said, the law does define a whole host of sexual offenses, and rape is by and large defined as penetration without freely given consent.  Under that standard, "reluctant" sex certainly does count, insofar as consent is acquired through coercion.
            What the hell is "coercion" and how do you define it?

            Violence or threats of violence are one thing.

            But you don't mean violence, you mean... convincing someone?

            Or, coercion might be something like "I'll leave you if we don't have more sex".

            All perfectly legal. Coercion is always a physical thing. It simply isn't rape to say words to someone until they agree to have sex. Both parties say "yes" to the question "do you want to have sex" there is no crime.

            And your standard as you presented it above would throw half the population in jail.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 10:12:38 AM PST

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            •  I don't know about hard bargaining (2+ / 0-)
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              I know at least of one case in which a perpetrator was charged with sexual battery (which, admittedly, is not the same charge as rape) for extorting sex.

              •  Thanks for the link (1+ / 0-)
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                Interesting to be sure.

                I would argue that this is a weird corner case, something maybe more than "hard bargaining" but less than threatened violence, so it may have been charged appropriately. Be interested to know how it was argued legally.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 11:01:47 AM PST

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                •  I don't know (2+ / 0-)
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                  This is not my area of expertise.  All I have are two points.  The trivial one: there's a range of sexual offenses.  The deeper, yet unsubstantiated, one: rape culture is partially perpetuated by society simultaneous expressing exaggerated outrage over these crimes while denying their frequent occurrence.

        •  Right, so as long as she's drunk enough--not given (0+ / 0-)

          rape drugs to help her get to that state, she's fair game.

        •  Right. Women who get drunk voluntarily are (1+ / 1-)
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          fair game for men. Please inform all your acquaintances of how dangerous you are at a party.

          •  My browser here doesn't let me rec (0+ / 0-)

            So please consider this a +1. +More if I could.

            Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

            by Rei on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 11:54:34 PM PST

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