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    ratcityreprobate, VClib

    And that would be a bad thing?

    Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

    by earicicle on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 02:19:23 PM PST

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    •  Well, it would have been for me (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought the place was ugly.  

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 02:22:54 PM PST

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    •  I don't think so. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm just teasing Rich a little. I think we know what Yale Alumni were trying to say, but they were pretty clumsy with their cover.

      "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

      by Giles Goat Boy on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 02:47:59 PM PST

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      •  Methinks you're being much too kind to the (2+ / 0-)
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        Yale Alumni.  They were saying exactly what they were saying.  Which is that there are so few smart low income students that it''s difficult to find them and they have to search hard for them.

        The quality of education low income students receive doesn't make smart ones harder to find.  Yale Alumni thinks they're hard to find because they think they're rare.  If they're not rare, they wouldn't be hard to find.

        The cover doesn't suggest that it's more difficult to assess which poor students are qualified; it says they're hard to find.

        •  Yale used the wrong word. (6+ / 0-)

          It's not because poor kids are not smart. It's because their schools are often hell-holes run by politically connected hacks who have no motivation or inclination to do right by the kids in their charge.

          Smart isn't the same thing as prepared. To navigate a competitive college, you have to be both.

          Poor kids with tremendous innate ability may go through 12 years of public education without the educational enrichment they'll need to get into/through a selective college.  Even if they manage to get good grades in high school, they won't have the tutoring or high-end test prep to do well on the SAT.

          This is true in poverty-stricken communities whether urban, suburban, and rural.  The funding formulas, the working conditions for conscientious teachers and administrators, the poor preparation of and lack of mentoring for entering teachers . . .they add up to the opposite of opportunity for millions.  

          You can be a little Einstein, but if this is the road you've got to travel, the pavement will be unbelievably rough.

          •  whether urban, (2+ / 0-)
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            suburban, or rural.


          •  Even in good schools (6+ / 0-)

            Kids without resources have an uphill battle. They didn't go to summer computer camp. They probably didn't travel as much, or get to museums.

            Then, on the cusp of adulthood, they're faced with kind of a wrenching decision, to leave their community and to leave their family behind to struggle without their help.

            (Filling out a FAFSA is no piece of cake for the parents, either.)

            At school, they may be away from their families for the first time, and even a full ride doesn't mean you have cash for extras, like weekend meals out at a restaurant or other things that happen on campus.

            Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

            by elfling on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:29:17 PM PST

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            •  when I was starting HS, the shining star of the (1+ / 0-)
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              Foothills of Oblivion

              whole town, student body pres, valedictorian, etc etc etc, got into Yale... I don't know if he stuck it out, but I did hear that one of his stories was that his room-mates had been reading Classics IN greek & latin, FOR FUN...

              The local State U. (10 miles from our HS) probably didn't even offer greek & latin at the college level then (ca. 1960), that's how much the difference was...

              "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

              by chimene on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:28:48 AM PST

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        •  "They're out there" does NOT equal "They are RARE" (0+ / 0-)

          Complete and total reading comprehension fail. Perhaps you need to examine what sort of biases and stereotypes you are bringing to the table that cause you to misread the sentence so badly. Why do you want Yale to be the elitist, condescending, snobbish folk that you think they are?

          Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

          by earicicle on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 09:08:21 PM PST

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        •  No we didn't (4+ / 0-)
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          Rich in PA, earicicle, nextstep, elfling

          Our people didn't say that smart students from poverty are rare. They said "hard to find", considering the conditions in the schools many attend, among other things. Yale has been making an extra effort for decades, and there is no good to be achieved in mocking them for trying harder.

          I was in the first Yale class that was more than half from public schools, back in 1963. I missed out on Yale admitting women as undergraduates, but I knew some of the women in Graduate School who took undergraduate classes, for example in Russian language. I had some Black friends in my class, but when I went back for my 45th reunion last year, there were vastly more than in my day.

          One of the tales I read in French class at Yale was Mozart Assassiné, by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. It is about precisely this problem, of highly capable children ruined and thrown away by our societies.

          This is the child Mozart. This is a life full of beautiful promise. Little princes in legends are not different from this. Protected, sheltered, cultivated, what could not this child become?

          When by mutation a new rose is born in a garden, all the gardeners rejoice. They isolate the rose, tend it, foster it. But there is no gardener for men. This little Mozart will be shaped like the rest by the common stamping machine.…What torments me is not the humps nor hollows nor the ugliness. It is the sight, a little bit in all these men, of Mozart murdered.

          Some of us actually do want to be gardeners of people. Not every Yalie, but enough of us to make a difference.

          There is much more to this story.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:33:13 PM PST

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          •  asdf... (1+ / 0-)
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            My mom was one of those women in the Grad School back then! She even had the audacity to be pregnant while working on her degrees, which was highly offensive to a few of her stodgy male profs.

            Of course, this makes me one of those evil 'legacies' many years later... ;-)

            Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

            by earicicle on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:26:17 AM PST

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