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  •  Open carry (1+ / 0-)
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    So looking back on my longish life, I don't recall any legal or moral open carry problems in about 60, 70? years. Anyone have a different view? Oh, or a 'real' problem with cannabis. Anyone seen a legitimate  or moral problem here?

    •  I'm not completely sure what this incoherent (2+ / 0-)
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      statement means, but you might want to seriously consider just going to visit someplace else.

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:43:10 PM PST

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    •  No Moral Problems? (2+ / 0-)
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      So in your longish life you don't remember anyone ever having a problem with the morality of someone bringing a gun to an argument? Didn't your mother teach you not to even raise your voice in an argument, so the facts, logic and compassion could rule?

      What kind of morals or memory do you have?

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:32:38 PM PST

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      •  I feel safer with "open carry" (0+ / 0-)

        than with "concealed carry".  At least with "open carry" I know who has a gun and where they are.  With "concealed carry" they can always get the drop on you.  You don't know they have a gun until it's too late to avoid them and you've got a barrel suddenly staring you in the face.

        "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

        by ActivistGuy on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 01:26:29 AM PST

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        •  Very difficult to open carry (2+ / 0-)
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          Because people freak out. My state issues a "carry permit". It does not specify open or concealed. Once permitted you can carry either way. You do see people open carrying, but since it generally causes stares and questions from strangers ("are you a cop") very few people do it without good reason. I'd much prefer to open carry when I want to carry, but I don't want to get stared at everywhere I go.

        •  Whereas I feel like it is an IN YOUR FACE (2+ / 0-)
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          implied threat.  Every single time I saw the gun I would feel a vague but persistent threat.  I would feel that it is the person carrying the gun's intent to subtly threaten everyone around him or her.

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          by Sychotic1 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:59:09 AM PST

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          •  You are generally wrong, but (3+ / 0-)
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            that's why most of us don't do it. Carrying concealed is a pain in the ass and sometimes uncomfortable too. It would be much easier to strap the 6" barrel .357 on my hip when I wanted to carry rather than buy pants one size too big and have a hunk of metal and plastic poking me in the back, but it's not worth you guys freaking out everywhere I go.

            •  Pain In the Ass (2+ / 0-)
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              Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. But as you just witnessed, and would notice without being told if you could use empathy, it's at least intimidating and even scary to many others who you walk among. It's a pain in the ass to blow your nose instead of picking it, too, but it's not as rude.

              You're damn right it's not worth "us guys" freaking out everywhere you go. For example, some of "us guys" aren't that stable, and freaking them out is provocative.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:33:57 AM PST

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              •  Well that was a bit incoherent (1+ / 0-)
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                but I'll try to respond anyway.

                I do have empathy for irrational people as I just stated. I don't want to be the source of them peeing their pants so I hide the fact I am armed from them, largely for their benefit. Though for mine too since I don't want to have to answer their questions about why I'm doing it. Even though it's irrational for them to be afraid of the guy openly displaying his weapon when the guy they should be scared of is the one with a stolen .380 tucked in his waistband.

                I only know one guy who regularly open carries. He runs a window washing business and gets paid in cash quite a bit. This means sometimes he's walking around with a couple thousand in cash on his person. His theory is that he wants to remove any doubt about whether he is armed. He wants anybody thinking of robbing him to KNOW he's armed.

                •  Comprehension (1+ / 0-)
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                  It's not my fault you have trouble reading.

                  Nor is it "us guys" fault you are so irrational you think that because you see no gun that means they're hiding one.

                  Yes, people who deliver cash and are actually at risk of robbery should wear a visible gun if they want. And a uniform. Even if that's a pain in the ass. Having a job like that can be a pain in the ass, but it's a living, and demonstrating that makes it easier for everyone, including the professional.

                  This is how reasonable people behave. It's all quite coherent if you're not blind to what's in front of you because of some fear that makes you want to show everyone your gun.

                  "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                  by DocGonzo on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:51:03 AM PST

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                  •  I have no idea what you're babbling about (0+ / 0-)

                    This all started because I acknowledged that I have empathy/sympathy for the fact you might pee your little pants. So on the rare occasions I carry, I carry concealed. Even though it would be more comfortable and convenient for me to carry open.

                    I don't exercise my right under the constitution and laws of my state to openly carry out of a desire to both avoid the hassle of questions and so as not to risk bruising your (and like minded folks) obviously sensitive feelers.

                    Your handle adds an extra bizzaro world element to this as H.S. Thompson loved guns as much anybody who ever lived.

                    •  Babbling (0+ / 0-)

                      Of  course since I quote HST I must accept an irrational love of guns as sanity. Right.

                      My writing is perfectly clear. Its meaning is obstructed by whatever makes you a gun freak. Evidently something to do with piss, since you keep mentioning that. Again, your problem not mine. Goodbye.

                      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                      by DocGonzo on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 11:24:24 AM PST

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          •  I assure you I nor anyone I know that OC's (3+ / 0-)
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            is doing it to imply a threat.  You seem to be confusing your feelings with intent.  One can feel a way that is entirely distinct and sometimes contrary to another's intent.

            When I walk down the street it is not my intent to worry the little old white lady at the end of the block but she feels intimidated and threatened by my skin color regardless.  As an example I experience everytime I jog.

        •  No You Don't (0+ / 0-)

          Unless you're saying that as you walk around in public you feel afraid. Because someone might have gun. That's called "paranoia", and I don't think you're that sick.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:31:36 AM PST

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        •  Your fear of those legally carrying concealed is (1+ / 0-)
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          Texas has kept running statistics on crimes committed by concealed carry license holders. They are safer than policemen.

          •  For people of color, not much of a recommendation (1+ / 0-)
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            "safer than policemen" may not mean the same thing to you as it does to a lot of other people.

            Quote of the week: "They call themselves bipartisan because they're able to buy members of both parties," (R. Eskow, Campaign for America's Future.)

            by mbayrob on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 05:09:17 PM PST

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