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  •  My brother's family are all evangelical, hold to (11+ / 0-)

    the "submission" idea. However, in reality his wife isn't all that submissive by nature, and they have a fairly normal relationship, even while they adhere to the "submission" rhetoric.
    I agree with you about the danger of the religious right, fundies, evangelicals, evandefundegelicals, etc.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:08:16 AM PST

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    •  Well... (6+ / 0-)

      My wife submits.
      To my cooking.  ;)

      We're still debating on who does the dishes when I cook.
      She votes for the dishwasher, I vote to delay using the dishwasher until I can fix the damned thing.

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        You are right. Studies show that wherever there is gender-equal treatment (NObody "submitting"), there is better marital harmony and fewer divorces.

        But a lot of Complimentarian religionists refuse the logic in that and wind up in divorce when she WON'T SUBMIT.

        •  Agree, nobody submitting is best. (2+ / 0-)
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          That is why my husband and I have been married 38 years and counting.  We have always viewed each other as equals and worked together.  My mother did the submitting stuff, endured 20 years of abuse before she got out, and then he almost killed her.  Not me, no way!  I told my husband that when we started dating, he agreed, was raised by a strong single mom who taught him to respect woman and treat them as equals.  He has always supported me in anything I wanted to do. I have always done the same with him.  We are a team.  

      •  IF I COOK (1+ / 0-)
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        she refuses to wash the cast iron skillets and dutch oven.  Other than that she is only submissive if I can get her really tipsy.

        I fervently hope, as humans, we never escape from this earth to spread our bigotry elsewhere.

        by olegar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:38:05 PM PST

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      •  best laugh I've had in a few days, & so true (0+ / 0-)
    •  WHAT DRIVES RELIGION-DRIVEN HATERS TO HATE OTHERS? (5+ / 0-)

      UNFORTUNATELY,  THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS WHO HATE THEMSELVES.  THAT'S WHERE HATING OTHERS BEGINS.  TO DEFLECT THEIR SELF-LOATHING AWAY FROM THEMSELVES, MANY HATERS CRAWL INTO A BOTTLE OF BOOZE EACH DAY TO DROWN OUT THEIR SCARY FEELINGS, GENUFLECT FEFORE RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS WHO PREACH HATE, SEARCH FOR WORDS OF JUSTIFICATION FROM A BIBLE, THAT WAS NOT WRITTEN BY GOD BUT RE-WRITTEN BY 42 DIFFERENT MEN OVER 1000 YEARS, CARRY GUNS TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL POWERFUL RATHER THAN WEAK, RALLY BEHIND LAWS THAT PROTECT THEIR SECRET  URGE TO SHOOT AND KILL OTHERS, BEAT THE DRUMS OF RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MINORITIES, WOMEN AND GAYS, THEN LIKE THE WALKING DEAD MOVIE ROBOTS  TUNE IN EVERY DAY TO LISTEN TO THEIR PROPHETS---LIMBAUGH, BECK, AND ROVE---WHO UNETHICALLY FEED THEIR AUDIENCE'S SICK FEELINGS OF WEAKNESS.  UNFORTUNATELY, THESE UNETHICAL PROPHETS--- LIMBAUGHS, BECKS, AND ROVES--- FEED ON THESE AMERICANS WHO ARE  EMOTIONALLY DAMAGED AND DEFECTIVE AND MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY FILLING THIS MARKET NICHE.  THIS IS NOT FREE SPEECH IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.  RATHER, SHOULD BE  CALLED A CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION TO HATE.

      •  A lot more than 42 men (and maybe some women). (6+ / 0-)

        There may be only 42 names of traditionally ASSUMED writers of Biblical books (the exact number depends on which Bible -- Masoretic, Septuagint, Orthodox OT/NT, Roman Catholic, Protestant -- you mean), but scholars have found that some books were written by other than their attributed authors (half of the "Pauline" epistles do not match his writing style, and/or disagree with the theology in the known Pauline epistles, and/or reflect an environment a century after his death); others were written in the era their protagonists were "prophesying" about, alleged centuries earlier (e.g. Daniel); the first five books, or Torah, was assembled from oral traditions, some of which had circulated as "mini-books" and others not yet written down, during the Babylonian exile; and those who COPIED Biblical books introduced both accidental errors and theological "corrections" so many times that, in the case of the NT, there are more discrepancies BETWEEN surviving manuscripts than there are WORDS in the NT.

        And there may have been some books written by women: the story of Ruth is certainly told from a feminine point of view, as is the Song of Solomon in some places; some scholars even speculate that the Epistle to the Hebrews, never claimed by Paul, may have been written by the "Priscilla" that Paul refers to as co-leader, with her husband Aquila, of one of the churches he helped to found.  Of course, any women authors who existed became anonymous.

      •  Did you know you're screaming? (2+ / 0-)
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        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:29:47 PM PST

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      •  Ok, but find the Caps Lock key next time. nt (3+ / 0-)
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      •  You said it perfectly (2+ / 0-)
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        You summed it up perfectly. This is self hatred. Those who hate themselves are addicted to hatred. The right-wing is addicted to hatred and to spreading hatred. Hatred is like crack. America's chief dealers of this kind of crack are Limbaugh, Beck, and Rove.

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      Yes, it's a common connundrum, somewhat like the "loyal" Catholics who go home and use condrums...heck, it makes sense.  Do Catholics? Do the GOP?

      •  Tell me more about these condrums... (3+ / 0-)

        If sexually frustrated Catholics (I'm Catholic btw) use them, they must be good! Plus they reek of musical prison-type sex. The kind the priests taught us.

        Yes, I know; they don't exist. Le sigh. Connundrum/condom add dash of human brain. I've said/typed worse :-)

        Also, too; two of the the three best people I have ever known were Catholic priests. That doesn't make up for the many, many thousands of abuse victims though. And semi-tolerant Commie Pope or not, I don't remember him endorsing gay rights (even short of extending the sacrements, pfff) or saying that women deserve an equal place in God's church and ministries or thatwe NEED contraception, not only for personal reasons, but because the planet can't support endless numbers of humans. But you know, whatever, let's love the guy. Le sigh, this time sans snark.

    •  When all fails, (1+ / 0-)
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      there's them Uncle Sugar pills... yes?

    •  "Evangelical" (0+ / 0-)

      The word just slays me.. As a kid in the 1970's Texas the only place ANYONE in the general public ever heard the word "EVANGELICAL" was on TV. There was a tv preacher that my buddy and I could not wait for to come on late night television so we could smoke a joint and die laughing as Ernest Angelly would command, "Out EEEville SPIRITS, OUT!! Moments later some woman would stand up from her wheelchair and start dancing crying, thanking Jesus.. Oh man, it was rich...
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      I recall in the Summer of 1977 that on our street there would be cars parked all up and down the street Wednesday nights, with every car marked by a bumper sticker sporting the "fish."It wasn't difficult to figure out what was going on in that house, especially since the drapes were pulled back with the lights on.. I asked a neighbor friend, what's the deal? He used the word they call themselves Evangelicals.. My response to him, was.. "Gag me."

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