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  •  Not meaning less at all (1+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw

    Obviously we live in a two party system. But it behooves each party leadership to approach voters as thinking people and not just partisans.

    Since there are more who identify themselves as Dems rather than Repugs, having the same percent (16%) of independents identify with one or the other means that more Repugs have become independent in proportion.

    I am not surprised with the exodus out of the self designation as Repug.  What surprises me is the increase of Dems that seem to self declare as independents.

    I hear it on the street on both sides, the wish for a multiparty democracy or a "third" party is out there.

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    by Shockwave on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:36:58 AM PST

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    •  It's not surprising at all (2+ / 0-)
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      What surprises me is the increase of Dems that seem to self declare as independents.
      It makes perfect sense actually. As the Republican party gets pushed further and further to the right, "liberal" or even moderate Republicans are going to call themselves Independent...even if they end up voting Republican.

      Similarly, as the Democratic party moves further to the left...and more Democrats are now self-indentifying as "liberal", it's not surprising that Conservative Dems would start calling themselves Independent.  

      Democrats Increasingly Likely to Identify as Liberal

      The shift toward greater liberal self-identification has been led by Democrats. Currently, 43% of Democrats say they are liberal, a nearly 50% increase from 29% in 2000. Over the same period, the percentage of Democrats identifying as moderate is down to 36% from 44%, and conservative identification is down to 19% from 25%.

      The most committed activists in both parties, for better or worse, are pulling the parties to the left or right. Think about how Conservative Dems are viewed on sties like this...and how the Tea Partiers regard liberal or moderate Republicans. In a way this is good, there should be more distinction between to the two parties.  But it does leave a lot of people feeling as if they have no political "home".

      The parties are becoming more and more polarised, and people who like to think of themselves as moderates are not entirely comfortable in either party. This is a trend that's likely to continue, and (hopefully) marks the beginning of the end of the two party's monopoly of governance in the US.

      Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

      by Pi Li on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 09:36:08 AM PST

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      •  The Dems are moving left? (1+ / 0-)
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        Shockwave

        Could have fooled me.  Economic policy all about "stimulus" for businesses.  Foreign policy:  full-spectrum dominance.  Pro-"free trade" pacts like the TPP.  Hardly looks a bit lefty.

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        by ActivistGuy on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 11:24:32 AM PST

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        •  I hear you (2+ / 0-)
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          Shockwave, VClib

          And I agree. Of course, it's all relative. "Left" by the standards people here would like? Probably not. But in contrast to the days of Clinton centrism, the DLC and the "Third Way", certainly so. At least in term of rhetoric, and certainly social issues.

          Again though, I hear you. One day ordinary Americans on the left and right are going to wake up and discover that they have more in common with each other than they do their supposed "allies" in Washington (and their Representatives in DC have more in common with each other than they do their constituents).

          Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

          by Pi Li on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 11:59:46 AM PST

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      •  conservative Dems? (1+ / 0-)
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        Shockwave

        Anyone who's the slightest bit to the left of Bernie Sanders gets accused of being a "Third Way DLC sellout."

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