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  •  We could just take the word of the man who wrote (4+ / 0-)
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    dizzydean, corvo, Johnny Q, aliasalias

    I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

    by Just Bob on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:39:23 AM PST

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    •  Would you trust anything from Sensenbrenner's (0+ / 0-)

      mouth?  

      It's kind of interesting seeing this whole thing play itself out.   In Sensenbrenner's case, we have a Repub that most of us loathe. In the DC case, you have a conservative judicial activist--again, the sort of judge most here would loathe.  I suppose this falls under the "stopped clock" theory.

      But, it seems to me that this will be in the same category as the RKBA folks here who support SCOTUS's ruling in DC v. Heller, despite that opinion being founded on a judicial ideology that is contrary to the beliefs of most here.

      To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

      by dizzydean on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:51:22 AM PST

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      •  Kill the messenger much? (4+ / 0-)
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        Perhaps if Sen. Leahy said the same thing you would like it more?

        http://www.theguardian.com/...

        Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, who worked with president George W Bush to give more power to US intelligence agencies after the September 11 terrorist attacks, said the intelligence community had misused those powers by collecting telephone records on all Americans, and claimed it was time "to put their metadata program out of business".

        His imminent bill in the House of Representatives is expected to be matched by a similar proposal from Senate judiciary committee chair Patrick Leahy, a Democrat. It pulls together existing congressional efforts to reform the National Security Agency in the wake of disclosures by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

        I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

        by Just Bob on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:17:20 AM PST

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        •  But now you're talking apples and oranges (0+ / 0-)

          This does not indicate that Leahy agrees to what you cited in your first comment.  He does support legislation to reform the NSA's programs, which is what should be happening...

          And yes, in this day and age of hyperpartisanship, the messenger does matter....

          To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

          by dizzydean on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:24:38 AM PST

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          •  hyperpartisanship leads to blindness and (3+ / 0-)
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            ridiculous insults in comments on blog posts.

            Without considering the constitutionality of the interpretation of section 215 for now, let's consider congressional intent:

            But our private connections contained in the bulk data are only of value if they in some way relate to terrorism. To the extent they don't, the government has no right to collect them. The government may need the haystack to find the needle, but gathering the haystack without knowledge that it contains the needle is precisely what the relevance standard and Section 215 are supposed to prevent.
            Since those are the words of the primary author of the statute, it does make a difference. It's good that Senator Leahy agrees.

            I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

            by Just Bob on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 09:25:55 AM PST

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