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  •  Czech potato soup sounds yummy! (3+ / 0-)

    Some kind of chicken soup is on my menu every week, because I buy rotisserie chicken at the grocery store and I hate to just toss the carcass. When I get tired of chicken I'll stop, but honestly there is an awful lot you can do with good chicken stock.

    Sometimes I just freeze the stock, but it's been so cold lately soup is welcome.

    I just joined a beer drinking theology group; it's a new group, the facilitator is a very OPEN MINDED (denomination left blank) minister, he stresses everyone is welcome, all faiths and no faiths. There are some pretty conservative Christians in the group, it's interesting to note that when the facilitator tosses out a question for discussion they just sit there. They are not used to being asked what they think. All in all, it is a good group, I hope the more conservative folks stick with it and maybe learn to let go of some of their fear of different people and ideas.

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act I, scene 5

    by Ooooh on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 04:26:03 PM PST

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    •  That sounds like great fun! (3+ / 0-)
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      Maybe the beer will eventually loosen some tongues.

      •  Also interesting is the way they express (3+ / 0-)

        themselves, there is very little complexity, only right and wrong. The idea is to have a loose set of questions to guide the discussion, but that no one is meant to proselytize or have an agenda. It is going to be very interesting I think.

        There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act I, scene 5

        by Ooooh on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 05:10:56 PM PST

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        •  I'd love to know what the actual questions are-- (3+ / 0-)
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          sort of vicariously joining in on the discussion. Mostly just wondering what my own answers would be.

          Oof, Ooooh, I'm gonna go close my eyelids for a few hours. Well past 2:00 AM already. You know me though, I can keep at the comment threads in my Friday diaries until Thursday.

          Dobrou noc!

          •  Dobrou noc, Marko. (3+ / 0-)

            I would be happy to share the questions for last night...if I could remember what they were!

            There was one long, oblique question that asked about unquestioning faith. I can't remember how it was phrased but it somehow got around to asking about whether you should welcome it or fear it.

            Nobody responded to that one. I had something to say, but I'd already been pretty forthcoming and didn't like feeling that I was dominating the conversation so I dummied up.

            The group meets twice a month, next time I'll bring home the list of questions and share them with you. :-)

            There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act I, scene 5

            by Ooooh on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:29:46 PM PST

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            •  Oo, yes! Please do and thank you! (1+ / 0-)
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              I think the internet is telling me that it was Elton Trueblood who said, "The unexamined faith is not worth having."

              And I like the idea of questioning, exploring, examining one's beliefs. It's good to drag out the old clothes from time to time and see if they still fit. Occasionally we find that we've outgrown something. And sometimes we find holes nibbled by moths and need to make a choice whether to repair or discard something from our little closets of belief. And then there's really stretching the metaphor and noticing that something is entirely missing from our wardrobe... didn't I used to have a bow tie? It would go so well with my gray shirt. Regular ties would look ludicrous with that shirt... but a bow tie, hey-- I might be able to manage that look now.

              •  Yes, I agree about questioning and exploring (1+ / 0-)
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                one's beliefs. Also in the give and take in discussion you frequently clarify your own understanding and sometimes get exposed to something you had not considered before, that you might want to examine and adopt for yourself. Oh right, that's the part about the missing piece in your wardrobe. ;-)

                In Yoga the Bhakti, or devotional, path is for people who are not so inclined to question and examine beliefs. I think there are some people who just are not not equipped, or for whom it is just not necessary to search and question their beliefs. There was one man in the group who freely admitted simply having faith in what he was  taught, and who clearly was filled with the light of...whatever you might call it...divine, spirit, love, acceptance. Clearly the Christian Bhakti path works well for him. :-)

                There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act I, scene 5

                by Ooooh on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 07:54:22 AM PST

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                •  I don't know about "necessary" (0+ / 0-)

                  but I think it's healthy. Sure, some people may be doing it right but there's no reason why they shouldn't take a moment from time to time and contemplate the possibility that even "right" can be "better". I think most people trapped in an unhealthy belief system feel deep down that it is all right and good. I'm sure the lunatics setting off bombs at abortion clinics feel absolutely packed full of their righteous, holy purpose.

                  They're probably not well equipped to realize that their actions are just as bad or indeed much, much worse than anything they think they're preventing.

                  We shouldn't be like sponges, soaking up everything we're told and believing it. Skepticism is healthy. It's healthy to have some sort of filter in place.

                  I worry about people who blindly follow authority figures. I've had a mentor or two in my artistic endeavors over the years. They were brilliant artists but my own experience has shown me a few flaws in the lessons they taught.

                  Much like recipes. Much like any directions that someone gives you-- here is the path I took. Did I describe every step I took? Did I forget to mention that tricky root, that slippery patch? Oh, with those shoes you'll never get past the ravine-- did I mention the ravine? Now that I think about it, I could have gotten there a lot quicker if I had crossed the stream earlier... avoided the ravine entirely.

                  Those that follow do not discover.

                  Or something like that.

                  I suppose that's why I find most groups, clubs,organizations, governments to be untrustworthy. They rely on leadership. And those that lead are often more flawed than those following. A lot of flaws seem to come with the desire to lead. It's a package deal.

                  Yeah, my distrust of authority figures may be bordering on pathological these days.

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