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  •  I'd say that (0+ / 0-)

    since it isn't in the Constitution, and has only been a law since about 1917, it can safely be called 'unconstitutional' and should then be repealed.
    (Not that I expect the GOP-T to even think about doing that.)

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:08:33 AM PST

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    •  Sounds like a pretty clear (2+ / 0-)
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      martianexpatriate, Betty Pinson

      Fourteenth Amendment violation to me.

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      by corvo on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:32:45 AM PST

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      •  Yeah, Obama should have gone there... (2+ / 0-)
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        Betty Pinson, stewarjt

        Because he didn't have the guts to call it then, this is going to keep coming up again and again.

        Ignorance more frequently begets confidence then knowledge. Charles Darwin

        by martianexpatriate on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 06:05:02 PM PST

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        •  Their repeated threat may not be a bad thing (4+ / 0-)
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          Obama didn't need to go there because they backed down. There were some real potentially difficult legal challenges if Obama had done anything else. They would take a lot of time to resolve. Instead, he won though simple force of will.

          As to why it may not be a bad thing, I say that their continued threats towards the debt ceiling keep the average American aware of how extremist the Republican party has become. For them to continue down this path after only a couple months since last time illustrates a sort of psychotic sort of obsession with failed economic policies. This may go a long way at finally breaking their hold on power come 2014 if we work hard and are lucky.

          You may forget that most people in this country are not nearly as aware of exactly how badly warped their ideology has become. This is one of the clear examples which become obvious even to the most casual of observers or to more moderate conservatives and independents.

          Hopefully if we can regain control of both houses of congress the debt limit will finally be put to rest. It won't happen until then.

          •  Well reasoned! (1+ / 0-)
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            Politics is an art that requires working with what you have until you can change it to further your interests.

            President Obama now has it right. It is Congress's responsibility not to default on the debts it has enacted. Flailing around with other notions (such as a Really Big Coin, the 14th Amendment and the litigation certain to follow it, etc.) will prolong the agony and divert attention from the GOP's intransigence.

            The principle of paying our bills and getting on with governing in the public interest is the right one. The realpolitik of the situation favors us. The GOP is fragmenting. An election is coming.

            The Election Principle: If people won't change, change the people.
            In 2014, holding our Senate margin and gaining seats in the House in realistic. A Democratic majority in the House might have to wait until 2016, but with every seat we gain now, the less leverage the obdurate, extremist right can employ.

            2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

            by TRPChicago on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 06:05:00 AM PST

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