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  •  Speedboats with bombs? Try Sunburn anti-ship (4+ / 0-)
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       It might be that Iran is as vulnerable to attack as the neo-cons think. But they have a cache of anti-ship missiles that have never been tested in war. If they work as well as they do in tests, and if they can survive a bombing campaign, the anti-ship missiles will wreak havoc on our fleet and on shipping in the Persian Gulf.
       Not to mention the possibility of destroying Saudi oil facilities.
       Or the possibility of raining medium range missiles from Iran and short range rockets from Lebanon onto Israeli cities.
       Or the possibility of terrorism directed at Americans, Israelis, and Jews of all nationalities in Europe and elsewhere.
        Or terrorist attacks within the US.
        Morality aside, the downside risk of an attack on Iran seems to me to outweigh the upside - an interference with the Iranian nuclear program.

    •  I'm just speaking from experience here (4+ / 0-)
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      When I was in the Navy my ship was deployed to the Persian Gulf and the Straits of Hormuz and the one thing I remember encountering were Iranian Combanttante speed boats coming out of nowhere, circling around our ship, taking pictures of us for hours. These boats are real menace to U.S. warships in the region with many making threatening calls on radio transmission.

      •  Well, the Vincennes shoot down (0+ / 0-)

        Of an Iranian civil airliner was decidedly not helpful

      •  I don't recall the details, but there was apparent (3+ / 0-)
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        a Pentagon simulation that games a war against Iran in the Persian Gulf. The Iranians (in the game) deployed speedboats and other harassment techniques to immobilize and damage US ships. The game, IIRC, was halted after the first round because the Iranians were winning.

        •  Tony Zinni (1+ / 0-)
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          Did that while at CENTCOM.   navy not happy, at all.  

        •  Wargaming Iraq in 2002. The "red" commander (0+ / 0-)

          knew he was out-muscled so he went asymmetrical: motorcycle messengers and old-school light signals (avoiding elec comm intercepts), units breaking up into small, mobile groups (instead of static WWII formations) and the speedboat attacks in the Gulf.

          Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper trashed the traditional tactics Blue force so badly that the simulation referees reset the exercise (re-floating all the sunken ships) and forbade Van Riper from doing all that unfair stuff.  "Just follow the script while Blue wins." He resigned from the exercise.

          Blue won a convincing victory.  We invaded Iraq the way we did partially on this "victory."

          Millenium Challenge 02

          "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

          by JVolvo on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 01:12:44 PM PST

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