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  •  The Tar Sands companies, the conglomerate (7+ / 0-)

    is Syncrude, ⅔ foreign owned and that ⅔ is dominated by China and the USA.

    The company is a joint venture between seven partners. As a result, Syncrude is not traded directly, but rather through the individual owners. As of August 2010, the partners (by percentage): Canadian Oil Sands Limited (36.74%), Imperial Oil (25%), Suncor Energy (12%), [China} Sinopec (9.03%), Nexen (7.23%), Mocal Energy (a subsidiary of Nippon Oil Exploration)[4] (5%), and Murphy Oil (5%).[5] Because of Nexen's subsequent takeover by [China} CNOOC, over 16% of the shares in Syncrude are controlled by State Owned Enterprises (SOE).
    The pipeline company TransCanada is a US company headquartered in Houston TX.

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    by Agathena on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 02:28:10 PM PST

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    •  Ownership of the pipeline company isn't relevant.. (2+ / 0-)
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      …to the point I was making.

      The more expensive the bitumen is to ship, the sooner it will not be economical to do so.

      Moreover, there is no reason to make tar sands companies more profitable by subsidizing the transport of their product while polluting our aquifer.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

      by expatjourno on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 03:15:18 PM PST

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      •  It's generally relevant to let people know that (1+ / 0-)
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        the tar sands and the pipelines are not strictly Canadian.

        It seems to me that our only hope to stop the Tar Sands and the pipelines is the market. It's a very expensive extraction process both financially and environmentally. Protestors discourage investment.

        Yes why should peoples' aquifer be endangered for multinational profiteers.

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        by Agathena on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:09:12 PM PST

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      •  The bitumen is getting cheaper to ship - not more (1+ / 0-)
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        There are new heated rail tankers on order that will allow shipping tar sands bitumen without first diluting it. It is estimated that the equivalent of one million bbls/day of dilbit will be transported by rail. This is more than the Keystone XL's 830,000 bbls/day.

        It there is a derailment then the goo will just ooze out onto the ground or sink to the bottom of a river. It has a very low fire hazard. They pave roads with this shit.

        •  If it were cheaper to ship by rail... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...why would they want the pipeline?

          "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

          by expatjourno on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 07:35:01 AM PST

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          •  Basically for the same reason that (2+ / 0-)
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            while it might be cheaper to buy store brand generic cola, there is a giant corporation out there pushing you to buy "Coca-Cola" products - i.e., it is a different set of 1%ers who will reap the profits.  And quite immense profits.  So it is worth if for them to fight hard to protect their turf.   On a larger sense, whether it is how much poisonous soda or global amounts of carbon spewed, it makes not a bit of difference.

          •  Shipping liquids by pipeline is always cheaper (2+ / 0-)
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            But shipping thick liquids over long distances by pipe is much more expensive as it requires diluting and/or heating plus a lot more energy inputs to overcome friction.

            I think the tar sands bitumen will be cost effective to ship by rail once insulated, heat-able rail tanker cars become available. Another factor is that heated loading and unloading terminals are required. Give it a year or so - especially if the Keystone XL is stopped.

            This shit is going to get to market, come hell or high-water. The largest multinationals in the world have invested too much money to allow it to be stopped. They control the governments of the US and Canada.

            •  Yes, the type of rail car you mentioned (1+ / 0-)
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              was recently patented:

              What is claimed is:

              1. A process of efficient bitumen transport by a dual purpose railway tank car comprising the steps of: a. Heating bitumen and flowing the bitumen into the tank car's insulated tank until the car reaches its maximum weight load; b. Transporting the heated bitumen to a destination by rail; c. Heating the bitumen in the insulated tank by application of steam supplied at the destination through a heat exchanger in or on the insulated tank containing the bitumen; d. Flowing the heated bitumen out of the insulated tank until the tank is emptied; e. Sufficiently cooling the insulated tank by provision of water or a fluid at suitable temperature to the heat exchanger in the insulated tank to avoid flash evaporation of its next load; f. Loading the tank car to its maximum volumetric capacity with diluent; g. Transporting the diluent by rail to another destination; and h. Unloading the diluent from the tank car.


              another option I've never figured out why they're not using is to simply chunk up solidified bitumen and haul in all the excess coal cars that have been put out of use by NG fracking.

    •  Yes. That's a point that should be (1+ / 0-)
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      hammered home to Canadians.

      Although China's role in it might be useful in countering the "agree to this pipeline b/c Canada is so nice and friendly!" propaganda that's running amok down here.

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      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 07:56:46 AM PST

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