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  •  Best of luck, I think you have a tall mountain (2+ / 0-)
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    to climb. It requires no permits to send tar sands oil by train anywhere in the US, so that will be the default. I think it will be very difficult to create the political will to stop train transportation of tar sands oil. Political pressure could delay the leasing of federal lands for oil and gas exploration, but the US government can't stop development and extraction of oil and gas from private property, or leases already let. Some states seem willing to stop or slow down oil exploration and development, particularly from tar sands. On a world wide basis all of the OPEC countries fund their entire government budgets based on selling oil. How could they stop, their economies would crumble?

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 08:13:00 PM PST

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    •   Your concern is noted n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:05:14 PM PST

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    •  We are opposing the permit to expand the terminal (11+ / 0-)

      so that it can convert Tar Sands dilbit (dilute bitumen) into a more oil-like form that can be loaded onto  barges to take it to refineries.  If they can't transfer it, sending it here is of no use to them.

      On Jan 6, with only a few days notice, so many of us spoke during the public comment period at the Albany Common Council (city council) that they voted unanimously to urge  DEC to delay considering the project.

      We have a strong case, that the Sierra Club is presenting, that the existing permit is defective, based on material misrepresentations by the company.

      We are also arguing that the light sweet crude already being railroaded through from the Bakken frackin' in North Dakota should not be shipped through an urban area, and the federal NTSB just agreed.

      After investigating multiple fiery accidents involving crude oil trains that have derailed and crashed, The National Transportation Safety Board [NTSB] is now calling for tougher regulations on the practice — including recommendations that those trains stay far away from urban population centers.
      “The NTSB is concerned that major loss of life, property damage and environmental consequences can occur when large volumes of crude oil or other flammable liquids are transported on a single train involved in an accident,” the agency said in its Thursday release. “Crude oil is problematic when released because it is flammable, and the risk is compounded because it is commonly shipped in large units.”
      Of course the rail cars go right next to homes in an environmental justice area (low income, people of color), another issue the DEC apparently has not yet taken into consideration, but the now aroused community will force them to deal with.

      There's no such thing as a free market!

      by Albanius on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 09:11:16 PM PST

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    •  Diversification is a wonderful thing. (0+ / 0-)

      Anyway, they're going to have to think about it sooner or later, because oil is a finite resource, which is why we're mining dilbit out of Alberta. BTW, are "the OPEC nations" partners in Transcanada? Because if they aren't, they're not going to be able to fund their government budgets off tar sands or fracking done in North America.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 07:38:39 AM PST

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      •  SLMD - I think the OPEC countries ruled by (0+ / 0-)

        monarchs have done a very good job of planning for a post-oil future for their royal families. A post-oil future for their countries is a different issue. They may feel that they will all be ousted before the post-oil economy comes to pass, so have focused on their personal safety and future.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 08:55:16 AM PST

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    •  Yeah, Cause Running 1,000's of tanker cars (3+ / 0-)
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      loaded with flammable material thru cities and towns in the U.S... what could possibly go wrong with that Plan B?

      Oh, only that Canadian town that was blown to bits recently by these type of tanker cars... killing what was it? 45 people?

      "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

      by Superpole on Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 09:59:02 AM PST

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      •  I'm tired of earning people's political enmity... (1+ / 0-)
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        Superpole trying to save them from their own shortsightedness, greed, and stupidity.
        Let each state, county, and community have their own veto power, if they choose to wield it.
        But let the country as a whole allow them all the FREEDOM! to make those decisions...
        ...and then to bear the consequences when it blows up in their faces (possibly literally).
        They can meantime enjoy the, what, average of 1.2 jobs per county that might be generated, as the petro destined to be exported runs through their backyards.

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