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  •  Rove... sure it could be possible. (none)
    Rove was clearly part of the White House Iraq Group ("WHIG") conspiracy to smear Wilson.

    He was present when the smear strategy was discussed at WHIG meetings.

    Right after Novak exposed Plame, Rove was on the phone to journalists saying that Wilson's wife was "fair game."

    But was he the original leaker? Seems too good to be true. And even if it is not a crime, it sure sounds like grounds for impeachment.

    •  It's grounds to fire Rove (none)
      but Bush could always claim he knew nothing about it, so unless Rove testifies against his own boss I don't see how it would be grounds for impeachment.

      Bush would fire Rove, then he would pardon him on a quiet Friday night when no one cares, and the media won't even blink. Rove would go back to political consulting, and no one would care that he blew the cover of a CIA agent during wartime. Republican slimeballs would have to murder somebody to be ostracized, the bar is so low.

    •  yeah, seems to easy, (none)
      and if it seems too easy, it may mean we're getting sucked into something, although I should add, I watched the McLaughlin Group and was a little shocked at O'Donnell's revelation.

      My gut feeling on this is Rove is too politically savvy to have directly leaked Plame's identity to the press. He likely used a middle man upon whom a great deal of pressure would need to be brought to bear for the middle man to reveal the order came from Rove himself.

      •  Really? (none)
        He doesn't strike me as very savvy at all.  

        In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

        by Asak on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 05:48:11 AM PDT

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        •  Rove's Savviness (none)
          I'm not sure about Rove.  There are two explanations for him:

          1. He's savvy

          2. He figured out how to operate one political game plan very effectively

          I've come to believe it's more of the latter.  He's of the school of thought that if you repeat something often enough, it doesn't have to be truth, people will believe it.  So he uses that tactic to turn a person's strength into a weakness.  

          Problem is, he needs a target for this to work.  He can't slander the air, he needs a whipping boy.  Thus it works really well during campaigns, but it's a one trick pony.  Look no further than the fiasco they had over social security.  They though the third rail wouldn't hurt them if they just used their same tactics.  But ultimately they are dealing with something where there are plenty of objective facts to defuse their tactics.  

    •  Let us not forget Wilson's comment on Rove (none)
      Not long after the leak was leaked Wilson made a very bold statement: I expect to see Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House.


      That was almost two years ago, and then there was no more from him on this. I think he was just biding his time.

      These people, smart, experienced insiders like Wilson, dont pop out with comments like this unless they have good reason to.

      Afterward, he downplayed it in the media, kind of joking, saying his wife nudged him about his perhaps too "exhuberant" comment.

      I have the sense he has known all along what Lawrence ODonnell is saying, and its true.

      oh, ps - I hate bankruptcy bill (+ ANWR) traitor dems.

      by NYCee on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 07:25:47 AM PDT

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