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  •  There's problems with these possible locations (3+ / 0-)
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    I'd be on the look out for "secret" building projects in the sparsely populated high-latitude mountains on the west coast of continents: British Columbia and the Alaskan Panhandle, Southern Chile, the Norwegian coast, etc.
    All of these places would become uninhabitable if there was a significant change in ocean currents (that's what we call "climate change") that bring in enough warm air and moisture to to keep them from turning into glaciers. Hell, it was only 10,000 years ago the Norway was completely covered by glaciers.
    •  nonsense, more heat won't make it colder (1+ / 0-)
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      Climate change is ultimately caused by a buildup of heat courtesy of greenhouse gases.  We started talking about 'climate change' when it really sank in that it's not just going to get warmer.  Cold snaps brought on by a weaker jet stream is one thing, but a shift back to Ice Age conditions is impossible.  Opening the freezer door makes it a little cooler outside in the short term, but eventually the freezer defrosts and becomes only a little cooler than the outside.

      Look back further to when turtles and palm trees flourished in polar areas.  You'll want to pick places that are on the cool side now so they'll still be pleasant 10 degrees or more later.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:26:26 PM PST

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      •  You have to consider what happens (3+ / 0-)
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        when all of that fresh water from the melting ice dilutes the ocean's and disrupts the currents that keep our temperate climate in the Northern hemisphere temperate.

        From NASA

        A Chilling Possibility

        "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

        by SaraBeth on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:15:22 AM PST

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        •  ice melt is a one-time thing, CO2 lasts centuries (0+ / 0-)

          It's possible that all that meltwater might disrupt ocean circulation in the short term, but eventually it'll diffuse into the ocean and the long-term warming trend will reassert itself with a vengeance since the heat sink of the ice is no longer available.

          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:20:21 AM PST

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      •  Drought (0+ / 0-)

        Nobody knows where large new drought areas will be created as the global climate changes locally in many different ways. As pointed out to you, the ocean currents define most local climates (eg. NW Europe is moderated by the THC instead of being Alaskan, Canadian or Siberian). Those currents are changing.

        Climate is chaotic - unpredictable over longer periods when it's changing. All we're reasonably certain of is that it will be different. And so all the local species are at risk of extinction. Everywhere.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 06:44:40 AM PST

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        •  that's why I picked places that are already wet (0+ / 0-)

          They can lose a lot of rainfall and still have 20-30 inches left over for dryland agriculture.  Parts of the Alaskan Panhandle for example get as much as 100 inches of rain a year; 50-75% decline or more in rainfall and there'll still be plenty.  A comparatively small decline in rainfall in an area that's already on the dry side (the Southwest, the Mountain West, etc.) is more likely to be seriously damaged.

          Of course things are going to change and dramatically and we don't know exactly how or where.  The best we can do is make an educated guess, and shift our attentions to places with plenty of buffer (cool and wet right now) so they'll remain habitable over the long term, even in a worst case scenario of temperature increase and drought.

          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:55:32 AM PST

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