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  •  Diary does not describe the Republican Plan (0+ / 0-)

    For those interested in what was actually proposed see the actual proposal

    At senate.gov The Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility, and Empowerment Act A Legislative Proposal

    I have not read the proposal yet, so I don't have comments on the proposal itself.

    Insight as to how some Republicans will present this approach and compare it to ACA can be seen at a Forbes article Senate Republicans Develop The Most Credible Plan Yet To 'Repeal And Replace' Obamacare

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:47:59 AM PST

    •  I'm confused. You say you haven't read it, (2+ / 0-)
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      but you insist that the diary "does not describe the Republican Plan." This seems to imply that the diary's description of the plan, to the extent the diary attempts or purports to describe it, is inaccurate. If you haven't read the plan, what is the basis for that determination?

      In what way is the diary's description of the plan, to the extent it contains any such description, inaccurate? What is the basis for that determination?

      Is the National Journal's characterization of the plan, as quoted in the diary, inaccurate? If so, in what way? What is the basis for that determination?

      Is the National Journal's description of the plan, as set forth in the linked article, inaccurate? If so, in what way? What is the basis for that determination?

      If your comment did not mean to imply that the diary's description of the plan, to the extent it contains any such description, was incorrect, what then did you mean to imply?

      The diary neither attempts nor purports to describe the Republican Plan. It's an assessment, not a description.

      •  It is quite obvious that the diary does not (0+ / 0-)

        describe the plan even to those who have not read it. If one only read the diary, and one was asked to summarize the proposal, there would be little one could say.

        The diary does not cover even the proposal's basics, pre existing conditions, what subsidies and to who if any, etc.

        Prior to making my comment, I had read other's analysis of the plan, and much was omitted in this diary.  I generally refrain from forming my own views about proposals until after I read the proposal.

        I have since read the proposals 8 pages. My earlier statement that the diary does not inform the reader as to what the proposal says in summary is valid.

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        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:52:07 AM PST

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        •  Is this assessment unfair or inaccurate: (2+ / 0-)
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          A trio of Senate Republicans on Monday introduced their plan to replace Obamacare with a new system that is built largely around making individuals responsible for a higher portion of their health care costs.

          ...

          In essence, the plan attempts to lower health care costs by making people shoulder a greater share of those costs—or "sensitizing" consumers to the actual cost of health care, as Senate aides put it in a meeting with reporters on Monday.

          If so, in what way? What is the basis of that assessment?

          What specific statements in the diary are unfair or inaccurate assessments of the proposal, or of this aspect of the proposal? In what way? What is the basis of that assessment?

          Be specific, please; more specific than blanket statements that various unspecified things were not mentioned. Complaining that things were not said does not by itself undermine what was said, unless it can be shown that some specific omission bears materially on the assessment. If you can demonstrate that any specific thing that was omitted invalidates the assessment, please do so by identifying that thing and explaining why it is important, and how it negates or invalidates the characterization quoted above.

          Thank you.

          •  For unknown reasons you believe the diary fully (0+ / 0-)

            describes a proposal.  This belief is so outlandish that I don't know of anything I can write to help you see the obvious.

            To know what an 8 page proposal says, read it.

            The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

            by nextstep on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:42:13 AM PST

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            •  For unknown reasons you believe that the statement (1+ / 0-)
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              caul
              The diary neither attempts nor purports to describe the Republican Plan. It's an assessment, not a description.
              ...indicates that I "believe the diary fully describes a proposal."

              Not sure where we can go with that. If you don't know or understand the difference between a description and an assessment, I can't really help you.

              Since you haven't attempted to answer any of my questions, I guess we're done.

        •  Moreover, it's not my job as a diarist (2+ / 0-)
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          ahumbleopinion, caul

          to spell out all the details of the proposal. As you've pointed out, there are plenty of places people can go to read and learn about it, in whatever degree of detail they wish.

          The diary is my assessment of the proposal, based on what I have seen, heard and read about it, including what its proponents have said and written. The diary does not purport to be anything more or less than that, nor is it required to be anything more or less than that. If you disagree with that assessment or think it's unfair, fine. Let's have that debate. If you'd like to write a diary spelling out (and, if you wish, defending) every particular detail of the proposal, please do so and I'll be glad to read it.

          But let's not pretend that I had some sort of obligation to spell out and explain every last detail of the proposal before offering readers my assessment of it.

          •  So you agree with my statement (0+ / 0-)

            "Diary does not describe the Republican Plan"

            I never wrote that you had an obligation to provide a detailed summary of the proposal.  I provided a link to the actual proposal, so those who may be interested could read it.

            Why do you have a problem with my providing a link to the actual 8 page proposal ?

            Is it not obvious that the actual proposal is the actual proposal?

            The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

            by nextstep on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:51:47 AM PST

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            •  I agree with your statement that the (2+ / 0-)
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              DBoon, caul

              "diary does not describe the Republican plan" to the extent it means that the diary does not describe the Republican plan. As I have said repeatedly, the diary is an assessment of that plan, not a description.

              My initial response/question was whether you meant to merely point out what the diary does not do -- an odd thing to point out just for the sake of pointing it out -- or to challenge the assessment by implying that it was invalid because (a.) it did not fully describe the plan before offering an assessment thereof, or (b.) the omitted details would, if provided, invalidate the assessment.

              All you really needed to say was that you meant to do the former, not the latter. If that's in fact what you intended. The former just struck me as an odd complaint in the absence of any requirement to the contrary, or any substantive rebuttal of the assessment.

              I have no problem whatsoever with your linking to the actual proposal or anyone else's assessment thereof, and I neither said nor implied that I did. It's the reader's job to determine the validity of my assessment, or anyone else's, including that of the proposal's authors.

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