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  •  Legalization without citizenship is terrible (2+ / 0-)
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    It creates a permanent group of second class citizens who can basically never get citizenship and thus will probably be paid less, denied services etc.

    It also creates tension and problems between immigrants and native residents since the guest workers or whatever you call them will never be citizens.

    I suppose since their children will be citizens after a generation or two it won't matter, but you can bet that the Republicans and corporate interests will try to keep importing non-citizen workers for as long as they can to keep the cycle alive.

    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

    by PhillyJeff on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:34:18 AM PST

    •  I recall a diary here on the European (1+ / 0-)
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      countries that did similar things. It didn't work out so well.

      I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

      by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:33:11 PM PST

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      •  Europe doesn't have birthright citizenship. (1+ / 0-)
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        So what this means that children of guest workers are non-citizens too, even if they were born and have lived in the new country all their lives. Naturally this leads to tension, problems with integration etc.

        •  We already have Republicans trying to (1+ / 0-)
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          overturn birthright citizenship.

          What is the point of allowing a set of guest workers who can never be legalized if you allow birthright citizenship?

          If you let that happen you're going to see a push from Republicans to overturn that and then we set ourselves up for disaster.

          Forget about that anyway. You want to tell a kid who was brought here when he was 2 years old he can never be a US citizen? How is that going to work out for him?

          When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

          by PhillyJeff on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:49:57 PM PST

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          •  I know, it can get tricky. (0+ / 0-)

            The kid who came here at the age of 2 might be illegal, he can't get a driver's license, go to college affordably, or work legally. His younger sister is a citizen and she can vote, get financial aid, and be earning a good salary at the same time her brother is struggling to make ends meet and avoid getting deported.

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