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  •  medicinal drugs are still drugs. (10+ / 0-)

    If they have a 'zero tolerance drug policy' they should be firing all the people who take metformin, lipitor, lopressor, and every other drug.  (Alcohol? Caffeine?)

    If medicinal marijuana is legal where he is, and it was prescribed for him, I don't see how he could lose his case, unless the courts simply scream 'reefer madness!' and ignore all sanity.

    •  Agree (1+ / 0-)
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      Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN

      It makes no sense, other than arbitrary enforcement of stupid rules because....

      ... I honestly even don't know what is in it for the employer.

      But the lower courts have so far supported the company's right to fire him.

      This is an employee rights issue as much as it is a medical marijuana issue.

      •  Employee? Rights? (3+ / 0-)

        We have  long way to go to reclaim that concept. In too many states, and inside too many Inside-the-Beltway heads, employees are expected to be grovelingly grateful to be allowed to work at all.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 06:25:27 AM PST

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        •  Testing for legal substances is employer abuse (2+ / 0-)
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          Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN, CenPhx

          You could make a case for banning any substance use, even legal ones for someone who works at a nuclear power plant.

          But this guy works in customer service and answers the phone. His medical marijuana use literally impacts no one.

          Also, if he took any other medicine, he'd be fine.

          Letting employers make capricious decisions about a person's health care decisions is...

          wait, where have I heard this before?

          •  No one should be between you and your healthcare (3+ / 0-)
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            davematson, Darwinian Detrius, CenPhx

            ... except Republicans, employers, insurance companies, religious officials....

            It's amazing, isn't it?  Republicans get into such a horrible dudgeon about Dems 'putting themselves in between you and your doctor', when and if it means you'll actually get better and more care, or get to make your own choices, but as long as it means you'll be forced into doing whatever it is they want, they'll vote to make sure you have no rights and no choices.

          •  Are you goint to make a case against someone (2+ / 0-)
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            Darwinian Detrius, worldlotus

            at a nuc plant on pseudofed? Or any number of opioid pain killers?

            Having MJ is the blood isn't at this point a good indicator of being under the influence of said medication anyhow, for recreational or medicinal users.

            The tests were created to detect minute amounts in the blood for the sole purposes of drug busts. It's not like alcohol where we know approximately when you drank last.

            We only know in a three month window that you had MJ, not how much and when.

            Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

            by GreenMother on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:04:23 AM PST

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            •  I read somewhere revently, and wish I had saved (0+ / 0-)

              the link, but I didn't---so someone correct me if they know better, but,

              Oklahoma has laws on the books that if you pop positive on a piss test--a urinalysis, that you can be retro-charged for DUI or something like, if you have a drivers license, not because you are actually stoned, but because you have enough in your urine to indicate that you used at all at some past date.

              If the material I read with regard to this is true, then I foresee a lot of test cases in the near future, with our neighbor status with Colorado.

              Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

              by GreenMother on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:38:29 AM PST

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    •  Lawful Activities Statute prevents that. (1+ / 0-)
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      nextstep
      If they have a 'zero tolerance drug policy' they should be firing all the people who take metformin, lipitor, lopressor, and every other drug.  (Alcohol? Caffeine?)
      Marijauna is not "legal" in Colorado in a federal sense.  There's just no state law criminalizing his use.
    •  Or oxycontontin, oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc., (1+ / 0-)
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      davematson

      Xanax

      Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

      by GreenMother on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:01:52 AM PST

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    •  This is why they only focus on the slang term (0+ / 0-)

      marijuana (marihuana) and completely sidestep a discussion of the actual herbal cannabinoid drugs found in cannabis resins. The prohibitionists are always very careful to frame their arguments around the mythology they have created about the obscure slang term marihuana over the decades. I think we need to stop allowing this framing of the arguments.

      Marijuana is not a drug, it's a slang term or rhetorical device created to villianize the entire genus of cannabis plants. As the drug found in coffee is called caffeine and the drug found in tobacco is called nicotine, the primary drugs in cannabis plants are called cannabinoids. When we are talking about the medicinal effects of these cannabinoids we need to stop talking about marijuana. It is only a device being used on us to confuse the debate. Please, let's stop falling for this bullshit.

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 01:21:56 PM PST

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