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  •  G.J. declaimed at Thatcher memorial session of (7+ / 0-)

    parliament that compared to the women who raised Glenda Jackson and fought the Blitz & homefront war with most of the men gone & then carried on after so many gone forever, Thatcher may have been a "female" prime minister but was no woman.

    most of the Labor seats were empty - they stayed away from that session to express their refusal to be involved in anything eulogizing thatcher.  Jackson wasn't satisfied that was a strong enough expression and drove hers straight into the teeth of the opposition.

    i get that in America the idea of "lady" seems to us like a description of a woman who's got grace as well as courage, brains & tenacity. ... a woman who's got "class."

    it doesn't derive from "lower class" or even middle, but aristocracy.  shirley chisholm, unbought & unbossed, no "class", a woman of all the people.

    just sayin' ... 'cos terminology is gonna get used and abused like crazy from here on out.

    •  Oddly enough, I meant ''Lady" exactly as you (7+ / 0-)

      described:

      ...in America the idea of "lady" seems to us like a description of a woman who's got grace as well as courage, brains & tenacity. ... a woman who's got "class."
      That, is exactly the definition of a Lady, whether the daughter of a clerk or of a count.

      My mum used to say that class would out.  If you have it, you'll always have it.  If you don't, no amount of money, title or false prestige can give it to you.  And my mum was a great Lady; she was also a great Woman.

      We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

      by The Marti on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 07:29:49 PM PST

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      •  observe: "...money, title or false prestige" (4+ / 0-)

        all are the accoutrements of the upper 10,000.

        see how divisive concepts of class already are just in this conversation alone?

        personally i like the idea of repurposing words, but there is no getting away from the fact that a word like "lady" is something western culture is attracted to because if applied to us it elevates how we conceptualize ourselves.  elevates.  higher class.

        gentle from gentile (i.e., Christian)

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        lord as a rightfully dominant entity (how would we conceptualize god if we had no history of rightful hierarchy of power by which to place god at the top and therefore a use-able justification for so much that's otherwise unjustifiable.

        i have no doubt your mum was a magnificent person and great woman.  i'm guessing that she was also a person of refined taste, intellect, kindness, and affection.

        would be interested to know what traits you associate with "lady" besides those already discussed, and whether there is any non-classist terminology that would suit.  and if not, don't you wonder how come?  and for example how come "common" and "vulgar" are used pejoratively, in light of their origins?  how come the word "villain" means badguy and comes from a word that means peasant villager?

        the rightwing uses language to divide and conquer. let's us use it to grow in understanding of one another and join together, see what i mean?

        •  I do see what you mean, but as the language has (1+ / 0-)
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          evolved (or devolved) we are stuck with the meanings that we call vernacular.  

          Perhaps we can find simple, clear ways to define what we mean, even while we admit that not everyone is going to understand the origins of words like "gentle" or "villain".

          It's worth trying, if only to beat the Republicans at their own game of "messaging".

          We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

          by The Marti on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 10:03:26 AM PST

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