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  •  I'd be a little more cautious (0+ / 0-)

    with the term, "intact".

    For any number of reasons, too many to list, we now blithely accept one of our two major political parties that hosts certifiable lunatics (aw, you know the names), subcontracts to fringe groups to do its dirty-work, has proven incapable of coughing up a single worthwhile initiative to advance the interests of the nation, voted 40-plus times to "repeal" a law that's been affirmed by a Presidential reelection and the Supreme Court and believes that this planet — an object with a complex atmosphere — is immune to man's best efforts to fuck with it (from deforestation to groundwater contamination to toxic spills... yadda, yadda, yadda).

    Thing about extinction is, it proceeds slowly enough that a given species doesn't have a clue as it's unfolding.

    Ask a passenger pigeon... or a Dodo.

    •  worst. times. ever. (0+ / 0-)

      Just like every generation thinks of their current present-day issues.

      We survived a reinvasion by Britain.
      Civil War.
      The Industrial Revolution
      The Great Depression
      Two World Wars
      The constant threat of Nuclear Holocaust
      Multiple assassinations
      Pearl Harbor
      The civil rights movement
      Vietnam - both the war and the protests
      The Dot-com boom/bust
      The disruption of the Internet Age
      A world wide collapse of Imperialism/Colonialism
      The breakup of the Soviet Union
      Women's Suffrage
      and any other major development in Western Civilization.

      ...and you want me to take a GOP in majority in one house that is dead set on repealing health care as a sign of the end times.

      I'll pass.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:00:48 AM PST

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      •  Getting there (0+ / 0-)

        is half the fun... and I cited a lot more than the GOP's obsession with the ACA.

        The Republican Party is the turkey thermometer, not the turkey.

        See: Roman Empire.

        Who'd'a thunk?

        •  a case could be made that our republic is slowly.. (1+ / 0-)
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          direct election of senators (started out as appointed)

          universal suffrage (started out as white men of property)

          end of slavery

          women voting

          decentralization of media (my father was frustrated beyond belief by the subjects that went un-mentioned by the networks, including historical context and issues of class/economics, when the press was swooning over Reagan. well worth putting up with Fox and that ilk than be in the thrall of 3 networks and corps. like the NYT)

          i could go on...

          the point I'm making is that "losing the Republic" is a concept that requires one to think of our Republic as more or less developed, ergo something intact that can be lost. Political power in the hands of elites and partisan disinformation in the media has, alas, been with us the whole time!

          what we're talking about here is backsliding, having to go back and rework things we thought we should be done with already. it sucks, but it is not the loss of something that we totally had, or that can't be fixed.

          200+ years is a very short period in historical terms. I think we're still in the start up phase and will be for a while, long past our own lifetimes.

          but, of course, I do worry where we'd headed....sometimes.

          •  You've made some thoughtful points, (0+ / 0-)

            all of which — I'd suggest — are very much individual developments in "a very short period in historical terms".

            Some of those developments have been more pivotal than others, but I believe none has yet constituted the achievement of "critical mass", after which all bets are off.

            I fear that the combined effect of a thundering right-wing media machine and the dumbing-down of a distracted populace are moving us perilously close to that critical mass.

            Is your optimism just "whistling past the graveyard"? I don't know... but I'm hard-pressed to perceive a realistic path to enlightenment. If the blatant insanity of those right-wing voices hasn't already rattled the population, I'm not sure what will.

            I, too, worry where we're headed... always!

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