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  •  Without American exceptionalism, the US would not. (2+ / 0-)
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    have expanded beyond the 13 colonies.

    In fact, all great nations, all aspiring superpowers believe that the world would be better if it were a bit more like it.

    Just look at China today, asserting extraterritorial rights in the East China Sea, and engaging the USS Cowpens to enforce them.

    Of course, any citizen has a right to question the actions his nation takes.

    But would the US have been better off not expanding beyond New England?

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    by PatriciaVa on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 09:04:17 PM PST

    •  That's not exceptionalism, that's imperialism. (2+ / 0-)
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      Exceptionalism is the excuse that we somehow transcend historical norms, that we are supremely unique.

      There's a million ways to laugh; everyone's a path.

      by Tom Lum Forest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 09:12:29 PM PST

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      •  Can you be an exceptional power w/o bieng.. (2+ / 0-)
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        ..imperialistic?

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

        by PatriciaVa on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 09:25:28 PM PST

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        •  Yes. I find many modern Social States (2+ / 0-)
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          in places like Europe to be highly exceptional but having given up their Imperial aspirations. Germany, which was only briefly unified (1871-1918, rogue from 1939-1945) has given up all Imperial aspirations but has become a model of democracy and manages to have better economic, healthcare, and political climates these days that we do.

          We're not "exceptional". We just happen to have more guns. Our standard of living, our press freedoms, our political freedoms and many other measurements are far below many other countries.

          Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

          by commonmass on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 09:31:24 PM PST

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        •  In a world of wide global trade, a. Country can (0+ / 0-)

          be exceptional without being imperialistic, unless you think offering innovative and good value for money goods and services as imperialism.  Germany and Japan are world powers, but not because of their military.

          We are heading to a world where the relationships between countries will increasing be like the relationships between the states.

          The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

          by nextstep on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:12:10 AM PST

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      •  Its expansion (3+ / 0-)
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        if expanding outside New England was American imperialism than immigration from Mexico is Mexican Imperialism

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        by exlrrp on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 05:29:47 AM PST

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        •  Imperialism is not the immigration, it's the power (1+ / 0-)
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          RiveroftheWest

          The Pequot and Massachusett, Cheyenne and Sioux lost power over their own destinies. If Mexico someday rules the Southwest, that would be expanding the empire or state - imperialism - but not until then.

          There's a million ways to laugh; everyone's a path.

          by Tom Lum Forest on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:12:43 AM PST

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