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  •  Oh, give me a break! (6+ / 0-)

    The only credible threat of violent revolution during the Depression was from the right, when a cabal of Wall Street types attempted to subvert a retired Marine general to lead a coup against Roosevelt.  Yes, things were horrible, but America was never close to revolution, and you know it.

    Ditto Great Britain, where the biggest threat to the government wasn't a revolution, but the attempt by King Edward VIII to marry a divorcee and keep his throne.  

    Good God, read a history book.  Better, read a book like Since Yesterday, which was written just before the United States entered World War II.  

    This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

    by Ellid on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 07:23:10 AM PST

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    •  Edward VII (1+ / 0-)
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      wasn't actually a threat to the system of government in the UK, merely to the then ruling Party.

      Removing the King was a pretty straightforward process, albeit one employed reluctantly.

      He was simply told to choose between Wallis Simpson, and the Crown. He made his choice and was quickly retired to the Bahamas.

      Had the King been a more sympathetic character he might have been able to persuade the government to amend the Act of Succession, but I don't think many people liked him.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 07:51:46 AM PST

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      •  Sorry, but contemporary records (1+ / 0-)
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        Do not agree with this.  There was a genuine Constitutional crisis since this was the first time a British king had been forced to abdicate since Richard II.  It was not straightforward, amending the law to allow a morganatic marriage (or the head of the Anglican Church to marry a divorcee at all) was impossible, and a lot more people than the "ruling party" would not have accepted the King marrying Wallis Simpson.

        I repeat:  go read a history book.  The whole "royal romance" of Edward and Mrs. Simpson was much more than a bunch of mean ol' conservatives hating on the King for falling in love.

        This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

        by Ellid on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 07:54:52 AM PST

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    •  Smedley! (11+ / 0-)

      Gen Smedley Butler, author "War Is A Racket"  He was never featured in any history class I had. Should be required reading for those who think "it can't happen here."

      -7.50 -6.51 "How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Politicians tell lies to journalists and then they believe what they read." - Karl Kraus

      by Hirodog on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 08:06:05 AM PST

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      •  He was a great man, and a true patriot (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm actually glad that the plutocrats tried to suborn him instead of, say, Douglas MacArthur.  MacArthur not only ignored orders not to fire on the Bonus Marchers, he was a right-wing loon who wouldn't have had the slightest problem with "saving the nation" by overthrowing Roosevelt.  Butler told them to go to hell even though he was a conservative who intensely disliked Roosevelt; as far as he was concerned, he'd taken an oath to uphold the Constitution, the President had been duly elected, and that was that.

        God bless General Butler!

        This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

        by Ellid on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 07:57:36 AM PST

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