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  •  Mexico has a vastly different attitude toward (6+ / 0-)

    government and millions visit there every year. But they don't speak the language and don't follow politics.

    Canada, especially prior to the current govt of Cons, has had vastly different attitudes toward government as well.  Having some Canadian friends in the USA frequently illustrated that at shared meals or drinks.

    Maybe I'm harder on "my people" but even trying to educate themselves about the rest of the world would help. And even when "there" in another country, we generally don't care a whit about understanding social attitudes and politics.

    Living there, dealing with the government, extended contact with local people and their perceptions of government or social mores, you get a whole different viewpoint.

    I was actually in Mexico during the Katrina disaster. The first day after, the newspapers proclaimed that nothing much had happened (as they did in the USA to a great extent).  But then the TV footage started rolling in while we were still reading the "All OK" newspaper.

    The shock of people was palpable everywhere and I was often stopped and questioned.  There was no shock about the flooding itself, but the lack of response of the government. How could the most powerful nation on earth simply stand by and not act with haste to help their own people? As the days went on, the attitude became more one of disgust than of shock. Mexico sent a military ship to lend assistance which arrived off the coast before Bush had gotten his ass in gear and noticed that a major American city was under water.

    I guess I'm rattling on, but I guess I'm not so willing to give people a pass for not trying to understand their relationship with the rest of the world.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 09:12:50 AM PST

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    •  Your points are well made. (3+ / 0-)
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      However, I don't consider a trip to Cancun as "visiting Mexico" :)

      It is easier for Europeans to visit many different countries, and as a result those people have extensive contact with each other ... Not just through vacations, but school and cultural exchange programs, etc.

      For example, most cities in the UK are "Twinned" with at least one city abroad, and school students, local officials and all sorts of people meet and mix regularly.

      I can leave my home in NE Oklahoma and drive 830 miles to South Padre Island, TX. Along the way I get to see Oklahoma, and Texas.

      In England, I could leave home, drive 830 miles, and be in Rome having traveled through England, France, Switzerland and Italy.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 09:27:49 AM PST

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      •  US cities also have overseas "sister cities," but (1+ / 0-)
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        we generally only use those for commerce or politicians political purposes.  It's sad, but the interchange of people and ideas is much more limited here.

        Just for grins, I looked up Dallas, TX sister cities:

        Sister cities:

            Brno, Czech Republic
            Kolkata,West Bengal, India
            Dijon, France
            Monterrey, Mexico
            Riga, Latvia
            Saratov, Russia
            Taipei, Taiwan
            Recife, Brazil

        Friendship cities:

            Sendai, Japan
            Tianjin, People's Republic of China
            Qingdao, People's Republic of China
            Dalian, People's Republic of China
            Nanjing, People's Republic of China
            Trujillo, Peru
            Taguig City, Philippines

        Yet your average Dallas resident couldn't tell you squat about any of those. Sad.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 09:40:52 AM PST

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      •  people in England often told me . . . (3+ / 0-)
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        "The difference between the US and UK is that in the US, you think 200 years is a long time, and in the UK, we think 200 miles is a long distance".

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 11:19:17 AM PST

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