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  •  yep. our entire social structure is different than (0+ / 0-)

    it was in 1848 or 1870 or 1917 or even 1945.

    Indeed, the rise of the global economy (and supra-national corporations) has made a far-reaching deep change in EVERYONE'S social structure, worldwide, which I fear most American revolutionaries today have utterly failed to grasp . . . . The very notion of overthrowing a national government no longer has any meaning--they no longer hold the real social and economic power. The world is entirely different now than it was in 1995.

    The corporados have gone global.  We must, too.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 12:49:03 PM PST

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    •  I've never seen any revolutionary here in the US (0+ / 0-)

      address corporate control of the food supply in a practical manner. It's always some sort of hopeful thinking about coops and organics. I certainly haven't seen people talk about staples much at all. Vegetables are important but things like rice, wheat, and corn make up the bulk of people's diet.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 01:53:58 PM PST

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      •  that is the big danger of global warming . . . (1+ / 0-)
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        Humans as a whole get nearly all of their calories from just a handful of plant and animal species--nearly all of them from temperate climates, and only viable within a pretty narrow range of conditions. There MAY be some tropical species we could turn to instead, but generally tropical species can't be produced at the same level of intensity as things like wheat or potatoes. There's no way we'd ever be able to produce enough food for the current human population.

        Currently, lack of food is more a problem of inequitable distribution, not of inadequate production. But that may not be true in the future.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 02:10:59 PM PST

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        •  Bread fruit? (0+ / 0-)

          Plantains?

          Rice can be produced in pretty tropical environs, right?

          And here we see the problem. I have no clue about a lot of this stuff even though I realize I should. We've got Pollan pitching a fairly regressive model of food security aimed at the shrinking middle class and because of that the debate on the left rarely talks about this. Automation makes this a completely different debate.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 02:54:45 PM PST

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