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  •  I wasn't alive in the '60s, but I think the reason (0+ / 0-)

    why the hippies didn't succeed is because most of them were too unrealistic. America has a long history of socialist commune experiments, most of which eventually failed. It's not as though the people in the '60s were the first to try it.

    The reasons for the failure needs to be studied (and probably already has been by some sociologists), but if I had to guess the main reason, it's probably because they went too far toward pure communism.

    Some kind of worker-owned businesses is a middle ground that could actually work. What doesn't work is a bunch of people sitting around "sharing the wealth" while smoking weed and not working hard.

    The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

    by Eric Stetson on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 01:16:13 PM PST

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    •  Well, and also, from what I hear (0+ / 0-)

      the communes involved some people, often the women, working their asses off, and others sitting around smoking weed and not working hard.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 05:07:02 PM PST

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      •  Interesting. It wouldn't surprise me. (1+ / 0-)
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        The only communes that have survived are the ones that have well-planned and strictly enforced policies about work requirements for all members.

        Twin Oaks in Virginia is an example of one from the '60s that has lasted and succeeded, because of this. I just visited there last fall. They own profitable businesses and everyone there works 42 hours per week, gets room and board, health insurance, and a small monthly stipend. There were some aspects of that community that didn't appeal to me, but as for being a successful worker-owned business and residential community, it's one of the best examples around.

        The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

        by Eric Stetson on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 08:07:55 PM PST

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        •  There's also The Farm, which worked. (1+ / 0-)
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          Probably a few others that I haven't heard of.

          I hear that co-housing has a higher success rate.

          A good book has been written on this by the way Creating a Life Together

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 06:06:14 AM PST

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