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  •  Oh come on. People don't (3+ / 0-)
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    choose to attend a college - they are forced into it?  Seriously?  An 18 year old -- a legal adult -- has no choice in the matter -- he's forced to go to BYU against his will?

    Who is he "oppressed" by -- his parents?  Because they are paying for it?  He's a "victim of repression"?  He's got some right -- after he's legally an adult -- to have his parents pay for something that they think violates their religious beliefs, and if they don't, he's "a victim of repression" or is "oppressed"?

    I don't buy it.  

    Religious beliefs are protected under our Constitution.  If a group of people decide to attend a college that advocates religious positions I find absurd, abhorrent, or ridiculous, that's their constitutional right.  

    I'm free to choose otherwise, as are you.  What you are NOT free to do is to choose for somebody else, because you think their religious beliefs are absurd, abhorrent, or ridiculous.  

    •  I think some parents do choose their child's (18+ / 0-)

      college.  Unless the kid gets a free ride scholarship, he/she needs the parents to pay the bills. And, I don't think anybody here is advocating closing down the university or the religion. More like making fun of a ridiculous policy. I think it's a hurtful policy, too, having your private sexual matters made public must be terribly embarrassing and humiliating.

      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 01:47:31 PM PST

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      •  No. The 18 year old has a choice. (3+ / 0-)
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        He can go to a college his parents are willing to contribute to (and it's THEIR right to decide what they will, or will not, support financially).  Or, if he is not willing to accept one of the options his parents will fund, he can attend a college of his choice and finance his education himself (through loans, attending part-time and working, attending a community college part time for a few years, etc.).  It's not being a victim, or being oppressed (as the other poster said) for an 18 year old's parents to decide what kind of post-secondary education they will, or will not, fund. Some parents don't contribute to college costs at all -- the student's loans are just that, the student's loans. (Actually, legally it's that way for all student loans -- the loans are the student's, not the parent's.)  

        I probably find a LOT of the teachings of that church distasteful at the least or abhorrent at the worst.  Which is why I would not go to that school.  All of the people who are being subjected to the rules of that church chose to attend a university that is run according to the rules of that church.

        If this were a public university, I'd be with you -- this would be horrible, the students should be up in arms and vehement in their opposition.  But it's not.  It's a religious institution -- and it makes that abundantly clear when you go there.  If you don't like that religion, don't go there.  

        I think it's frankly absurd to voluntarily attend a religious institution and then be horrified that they run it in accordance with that religion.  If you don't like the religion, don't go there.  

        •  Yeah, and be in debt well into middle age (7+ / 0-)

          Won't be able to retire because they used their meager 401(k) to pay off the loans.

          Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

          by Dirtandiron on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 03:53:13 PM PST

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        •  You are misrepresenting what (9+ / 0-)

          the Wisepiper said, which is not terribly surprising.

        •  Gawd, coffee (10+ / 0-)

          You are missing the whole point of this diary.
          No one is talking about these kids being forced to go to BYU, we are laughing at the vid.
          Get it?  
          And in UT there is a lot of pressure for Mormons to go to BYU.
          Especially if you want to get in to some types of jobs.
          Many companies here do discriminate under the table.
          Unless you lived here you can't understand the pressure to conform.

          There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn.

          by snoopydawg on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 05:33:07 PM PST

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        •  As someone essentially 'forced' into a college... (6+ / 0-)

          That was terribly wrong (permanently scarring) for me, let's just say that 'forcing' can take many forms, and it's easy to say 'Well I just wouldn't do that, implying that the young people who find the environment uncomfortable or abusive are just stupid.  That's rarely the case, but just 'not doing it' is often easier said than done....

            My father was not normally a physically abusive man (he was overbearing in a socially condoned and regarded as charming way), but his response to my announcing, 30 years ago, that I had been offered a full ride to one of the most prestigious schools in the country in the biological sciences was "You're not going to that pinko, commie, liberal college!", and then he proceeded to extol the virtues of the major football powers he'd applied on my behalf for.  When my mother dared to plead with him (speaking up in direct defiance of him for the first time I can remember... ever) that it should be my choice, he flew into a rage, left the house to drink himself into an aggressive stupor, came home several hours later literally roaring like a lion, and noisily raped her.  

          I was a good girl after that and let them drive me to Los Angeles, and entered sorority rush, as they wished.  A year and a half later I'd been raped myself in one of the fraternities at a mandatory mixer I could not afford to pay the fine not to attend, had an unplanned pregnancy, and flunked out due to a fatal mismatch between an introverted science geek and 'The Shallowest College in America'.  Religion (at least unless we're talking about Supply-Side Jesus, my parents did and do have a shrine to Ronald Reagan) didn't even apply in my case, so just imagine what young people subjected to a lifetime of heavy socialization in that religion face if they try to step away from the decisions that have frequently been preordained for them.

          That said, the video is surreal and (unintentionally?) has some really homoerotic undertones ;).

    •  You clearly don't understand (7+ / 0-)

      TBM (true blue mormon) parents' leverage over their offspring.  

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