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  •  there is one way (2+ / 0-)
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    Ian Reifowitz, doroma

    to convince states that have the stand your ground law to repeal it, have black adults start using that law to begin defending themselves against white young men and that law will be repealed in a ny minute if not sooner.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

    •  This ironic idea has worked poorly so far. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Ian Reifowitz, SoCalSal

      _______________________________________________________________________________________ It seems to me that we humans take turns being dummies.

      by reasonablegunsplz on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 04:36:37 PM PST

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      •  oh really (0+ / 0-)

        if the black community thought they could get away with using the stand your ground and murder whites i would agree but since that isn't the case your argument is specious, unless of course you don't think there is a racial bias in america and in that case our discussion need not continue.

    •  do you realize (0+ / 0-)

      that three times as many whites are killed by blacks than the reverse?

      •  apples & oranges (1+ / 0-)
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        first i mean stand your ground law cases only, second my faith in the numbers noted from a racist justice system as the arbiter is suspect.

        •  human & humans (0+ / 0-)

          ok, so you are only interested in a tiny fraction of the murder cases in this country, and only when it involves one race as the victim and one race as the murderer.

          Fine, that's clearer now.

          •  to deny (0+ / 0-)

            only one race is discriminated against in our justice system means you are part of the problem not part of the solution, congratulations the bigots are in your corner.

            •  Those who deny all murders are abhorrent (0+ / 0-)

              belong to a club in I am not interested in joining.

              As to your straw man--"to deny only one race is discriminated against in our justice system"--that leapt fully formed out of your brain.   Your tainting me with a bigot affiliation naturally followed.  You have learned your Limbaugh methods well.  Nice to have the distortionists in your corner.

              •  no actually i said (0+ / 0-)

                the bigots were in your corner you i have no conviction about although i do have an idea from where you are coming.
                me thinks you do protest too much though and with that i will remove myself from the conversation since we will never have a meeting of the minds.

                obviously we come from a completely opposite perspective on this subject which is sad on its face.

      •  I'm skeptical. Where did you get that (0+ / 0-)

        bit of information?

        that three times as many whites are killed by blacks than the reverse?
        •  Mostly from here (0+ / 0-)

          Wall Street Journal Report: Murder in America

          The US Justice dept reports also has it, though it is not as easy to quickly access information.  The WSJ also uses the FBI data.

          If you exclude killings that occurred while the victim was engaged in a felony and death penalty executions, during the period 2000-2010,  10,410 whites were murdered by blacks and 3,504 blacks were murdered by whites.

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