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  •  But communitarianism (0+ / 0-)

    is still based in capitalism. It has private ownership of property used in production, still has a working class, an owning class.

    It is a form of capitalism.

    "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

    by ZhenRen on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 12:55:59 PM PST

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    •  It is not founded on capital. Capital is one tool (0+ / 0-)

      among many, and all tools should serve the community, not vice versa. It prefers cooperative ventures to anonymous stockholder ventures, it deprecates profit as a measure of value, and it puts human welfare ahead of the naked profit motive.

      There are many forms of communitarianism; they are not monolithic about the forms of ownership. I run to the idea that cooperatives tend in general to have the best overall outcome, and I think local, state and national policies should reflect that. I don't see a need for centralized ownership of everything.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 01:31:05 PM PST

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      •  I noticed there are many forms (0+ / 0-)

        Its a bit confusing to sort out.

        In my view, wage slavery (the employer/employee relationship) is capitalism, regardless of whether the employer (the owner of the means of production) is the State or private.

        Anyway, thanks for the answer. I like the idea of worker-managed/owned co-ops.

        "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

        by ZhenRen on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 02:10:26 PM PST

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        •  I was a guest lecturer in China in 1990. They gave (0+ / 0-)

          a formal dinner to honor me as an outside speaker. The president and dean started to look very puzzled as I the speaker from the "capitalist" west started talking about our food co-op, our credit union, our member owned insurance company and so on.

          I think that tradition may be stronger in the midwest. I know when I came here in 1981 I was stunned by the contrast in ATMs. In New England, each bank had their own and they didn't talk to each other. In Iowa City my bank issued me a card that was good over a five state area and uncountable different banks.

          One other aspect of communitarianism is preferring small owner-run businesses over larger ventures where the owner calls all the shots and everyone else is on wages. One of the larger grocery chains here is HyVee, which is owned by the employees.

          Another way to put it: capitalism claims that monetary profit is the only measure of value and that markets should be free to maximize that. I dispute that - Peyton Manning is not worth a thousand kindergarten teachers, and our tax code is defective in so far as it allows that disparity to happen.



          Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

          by Wee Mama on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 02:19:43 PM PST

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