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  •  Ds need to realize how upsetting this is to (6+ / 0-)

    people.  I'm not talking about some phony situation here.  The notice that I received not only tells me that I have to scramble to get new insurance, but if for some reason I fail in that scramble i risk not only bankruptcy through lack of insurance, but various tax fines.

    I don't make very much money, at least for my sized family, but I only qualify for a tax subsidy if I buy insurance through the non-functioning state insurance exchange.

    Nationally the website works better, but that website is freakin' unavailable to Oregonians, at least if you want to get a tax deduction, which was one of the main selling points of Ocare.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 12:26:16 PM PST

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    •  "non-functioning" (6+ / 0-)

      it's slow, but its signed up a few tens of thousands of people. No need for hyperbole here.

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 12:30:32 PM PST

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    •  Well (6+ / 0-)

      Oregon needs to correct the problems with its website then, which is a state level issue not a federal one. Also, I don't understand why they are just telling you now - they should have given notice back in October since the ACA enrollment period was supposed to be the fall.

      FWIW my understanding is that the fines are quite a bit less than insurance costs, but regardless, I hope you will be able to get something nailed down by April. It sounds like attending something like this might be helpful -

    •  I am getting really sick of the (11+ / 0-)

      "I dont like being lied to meme..." from people that should know much better.  I think this alone lets us know exactly what the problem might be.  Very little in ACA requires companies to change anything except under extraordinarily bad situations. Yet somehow because Pres. Obama didnt throw in a bunch of disclaimers and "if the republicans dont figure out another way to crew you..." statements then he lied. The entire program is based on companies that can change their offerings. It should be clear that the "you can keep your insurance" only applies to the part the government actually controls - DUH.

      I understand frustration, and I understand anger.  But shouldnt this be directed at the companies doing it?  This makes me doubt very much the genuine nature of the claims in this diary.... Sorry....

      •  I heard him say it, I believed it. That was an (5+ / 0-)

        error on my part.  I voted for the dude three times, so maybe I'm especially disappointed.

        You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

        by Cartoon Peril on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 01:16:34 PM PST

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        •  The error (4+ / 0-)
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          was in turning off ones mind.  There are few statements ever in the history of mankind that do not require thought and understanding of context. The simplicity of 'I heard him say it blah blah blah - is likely not extended to thousands of other things you hear day to day." For instance, "soap is harmless" - unless you drink a gallon of it. "Everyone should drink more water" - except for the poor guy that drank 5 gallons of it at a time and died.  "The rides in this carnival are perfectly safe", unless you take off the restraints and jump up and down on the coasters. "One single hot dog cant hurt you" - unless it gets lodged in your windpipe...

          So yes, Pres. Obama should have been careful how he phrased this, but we too should be careful not to blame him for things the ACA doesnt do.  We have seen cases over and over, where the law is being purposefully misapplied. Well, I live in a very safe neighborhood.  By saying this does it mean that a thief can not break in?  Of course not.  And you can keep your insurance - unless you are doing business with crooks.  I really didnt have to be told this second part.    

          The deeper issue I have is the idea that no matter how much the right might try to make things not work and the efforts they put into gumming up the works, it seems as though it is still appropriate to hate on the president. Every time I turn around it is "Obama lied" "Obama is lawless" Standards never applied to presidents in the past. He has become a favorite punching bag - and this is dangerous.  Dangerous because by making a scape goat of one person - and aping back simple catch phrases for why this is OK, the real problems never get solved.

    •  Through the website? (2+ / 0-)
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      Are you saying that Oregon won't sign anyone up on their exchange other than through their website?

      Hmmm. That doesn't sound right to me.

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