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  •  1988? (0+ / 0-)

    Great work. My question is why are you using as your baseline 1988? There are good reasons (open seat election, etc.), but you could choose from a variety of elections to choose from..

    •  That's another (4+ / 0-)
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      thing I would've written a paragraph about if I'd had endless amounts of time and pixels, but, basically, it's a reasonably close election that came shortly before the map that we're used to today really started to form (i.e. from back when the Dems didn't have a lock on urban counties and when they were still competitive in a lot of rural places, which really started to change during the Clinton years). 2000 or 2004 would be interesting too, but not as profound a change.

      And I didn't use 1992 or 1996 (or 1980 or 1968) because the large 3rd-party votes those years really skewed things. 1984, 1972, and 1964 are out because they were such blow outs because one of the candidates was so flawed. 1976 would be kind of interesting, but it's kind of skewed too because Carter overperformed so much in the Deep South (and also, to a lesser extent, Ford really overperformed in places like the Upper Midwest and the Northwest that, at that point, were still sympathetic to moderate Republicanism).

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      by David Jarman on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 06:08:11 PM PST

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      •  Which of the candidates in 1972 was so flawed? (1+ / 0-)
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        Was it Richard Nixon or George McGovern? In my book, Nixon was the one with flaws, Mcgovern the one with admirable principles.

        As a young Vietnam war veteran, I walked the streets and knocked on doors for George McGovern. Nixon was the political criminal and the war criminal; McGovern was the WWII war hero and principled opponent of the domino theory created war on peoples' liberation in Vietnam. Leave out 1972 if you will, but don't even try to claim that George McGovern was a flawed candidate. He remains a shining beacon of reason and conscience during a dark period in American history.

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        by Zinman on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:17:40 PM PST

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        •  Thank you for your service. Really. (2+ / 0-)

          But how was George McGovern not a flawed candidate when he lost 49 states?

          Now, I probably would have voted for George McGovern had I been alive and old enough to vote. My grandparents did. But how does a candidate that is not flawed manage to lose 49 states?

          Were his ideas flawed? No. I can agree with you there. Was he a flawed candidate? From an electoral perspective, yes.

          Gay farm boy, 21, who hit the city to go to college, WI-03 (home, voting), WI-02 (college), -5.12, -1.74, "No tears. Remember the laughter, stories and good times we shared."- My dad (1959-2013).

          by WisJohn on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:23:37 PM PST

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          •  McGovern lost because he told the truth (0+ / 0-)

            Sometimes that is like spitting into the wind. Perhaps he could have garnered more votes by lying about the Vietnam War, or by supporting income inequality by not proposing a plan to correct it.

            My criteria when he ran for President was whether he told the truth and whether he proposed workable policies for stopping the madness. He did both. The fault was not his for not being elected President, the fault lies with the American electorate for not understanding what he was saying. Perhaps further, he lost because the corporate forces in America at time supported the War because it profited them, but at the expense of the general public, and the lives lost in the War on both sides.

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            by Zinman on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:25:47 PM PST

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