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  •  I don't want to seem like I (0+ / 0-)

    don't think that your point of view is valid.  I said above "we can agree to disagree," but my recollection of the movie is that Ben was reluctant to have sex with Anne Bancroft and was later disgusted and repelled by it, but he kept on.  In Indochine, a sheltered child falls for her mother's lover, in a situation where tenderness and passion existed between mother and lover.  The lover had become cruel to the mother and the mother sensed his capability to hurt her adored child, so sought to end (unsuccessfully) the romance.  

    Just saying, situations differ.  IMO, Benjamin is exposed as weak.  I think E's mother wanted more for E.

    •  I really cannot understand (1+ / 0-)
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      Youffraita

      the part, you attack Benjamin but not Mrs. Robinson.
      She didn’t try to protect Elaine, it was more like a revenge.
      If she cared about her, she shouldn’t had seduced him in the first place.

      There are the Greek myth about,
      The step mom seduced the prince, he rejected her. Humiliated by the rejection, she told the king and the king punished him. Was that the serpent?
      Ben didn’t reject her, probably he should had. But outcome was the same.

      Hell has no fury like a woman scorned

      If Elaine knows her mother at all, she will know Ben didn’t violate her, in spite of what Mrs. Robinson said.  Of course he hurt her, of course he treated her badly, after all he left for someone who can be her daughter, oh wait.
      I don’t deny that was a mistake and rather big one. But not big enough to ruin his life.

      •  For me, the discussion was (1+ / 0-)
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        what kind of future do B and E really have?  Is the only impediment to their happiness Mrs. Robinson's inability to contain herself and keep a secret?

        IMO, no.  Is Elaine at least entitled to know this fact about her intended?  Would sweet ignorance been the answer?  Could Ben have practiced honesty in the first instance and explained himself to Elaine?  That would have shown some character.

        Throughout the movie, Ben is seen as aimless and hapless until that last scene.  Are we supposed to cheer at his finally being impelled to act (even if it's ridiculous and foolish) and conclude that he has become a grown-up?  "Love" has transformed this boring and passive and asexual (four years in college and still a virgin?) individual into a hero for our times?

        I like a lot of movies and I like happy endings to movies, but movies are fantasies in the way that literature is not; closely examined, most movie romances are silly.

        •  What does it serve anything? (0+ / 0-)

          If Ben was knowingly cheated on Elaine,
          that's one thing.

          But HE DIDN'T KNOW.

          If your boyfriend slept with your sister when they were high school.
          Do you want to know?
          and why?

          If your sister tells you, she slept with your boyfriend a long time ago, will you trust her more?

          If Elaine start telling Benjamin
          every sexual contact she ever had in her life,
          Does it please Benjamin?

          Since two people know about,
          Benjamin should had told Elaine before her mother told her.
          That was stupid of him.

          But
          Did you know the Graduate's writer Charles Webb?

          He wrote it shortly after graduating from Williams College. He was only 24.

          You should give Ben and Charles some slack.

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