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  •  Recent NYT article is instructive on that (12+ / 0-)

    point:

    The Obama political operation that once buried Hillary Rodham Clinton’s White House ambitions is now rapidly converging around her possible 2016 presidential bid, conferring on Mrs. Clinton enormous early advantages in money, expertise and voter targeting techniques.

    On Thursday, Priorities USA Action, a “super PAC” that played an important role in helping re-elect President Obama, announced that it was formally aligning itself with Mrs. Clinton and would begin raising money to fend off potential opponents for 2016.

    The group — the largest Democratic super PAC in the country — also named new directors, appointments that will cement the group’s pro-Clinton tilt and thrust veterans of Mr. Obama’s political and fund-raising operation into the center of the post-Obama Democratic Party.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 08:15:18 AM PST

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    •  Payback! (6+ / 0-)

      It's what's on the ticket this year.

      Good catch...

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 08:16:50 AM PST

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    •  does anyone think we can stop this? n/t (4+ / 0-)
    •  Two sides of the same coin (2+ / 0-)

      Anyone who thought they were getting something "new" when they voted for Obama fell for the biggest scam ever perpetrated by a Dem candidate. Had they bothered to look at the massive amount of money he raised from corporate donors in 2008, they would have realized he was no different.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 09:45:25 AM PST

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      •  obama fooled me, i admit it (2+ / 0-)
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        but hillary doesn't fool anyone

        if we go with clinton we know exactly what we're getting

        and if we do that, shame on us

        •  Actually, I think she would be marginally better (1+ / 0-)
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          Primarily because she has a lot more experience and self confidence. Those things allow her to change course, keep an open mind and learn from mistakes.  Obama's lack of experience has led him to be a much more rigid and mistake prone leader.  He's never had the confidence to study issue details, solicit other opinions or open his mind on public policy.  He governs with a very small clique of people and closes out any POV's or opinions that may be contrary to a very narrow set of inside opinions.  

          The ability to challenge internal conventional wisdom usually only comes with age, intelligence and life experience.  In that respect, HRC is much more open minded and better at crafting public policy, making good decisions and developing better strategies than Obama.

          She's subject to the same pressures from corporate donors, but she's probably better able to control them and find ways to convince them to accept better  public policy than Obama.  I've always had the impression he's just a rubber stamp for the donor folks, and that has cost him a lot in public support.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 10:31:35 AM PST

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          •  I am not sure (4+ / 0-)

            we can take the gamble that she has changed.

            She has not been outspoken on NSA.  Will she actually make a stand against the status quo?

            Warren lost the rank of progressive when she voted for the farm bill in 2013

            by GideonAB on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 10:34:49 AM PST

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          •  I Agree That Hillary Is Tougher than Obama (2+ / 0-)
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            But I don't see much difference in their world views or neoliberal philosophy. So Hillary may be even worse in that she could be more effective in enacting the neoliberal agenda. Perhaps not, as Obama has uniquely insulating advantages within the Democratic Party, but it is certainly possible.

            Have you seen anything to suggest that Hillary rejects neoliberalism and authoritarianism? I haven't. She is playing the policy cipher (again) and arming the political machine for a wipeout (again), which is quite alarming. And the corporate money flowing her way suggests not.

            Thanks for the discussion.

            •   I think her apparent "tougher" ness (2+ / 0-)

              is a huge liability. She will maybe talk or act "tougher" because she has to as a woman to prove she's not a "sissy," but on the back end, I think she will be even faster to capitulate to corporate interests. She's the past. We need to move on.

              Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

              by anastasia p on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 11:17:42 AM PST

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          •  No. Way. (0+ / 0-)

            In case you missed it, lemme say it again:


            No. Way.

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 01:15:12 PM PST

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      •  which is why we should (3+ / 0-)

        use the voting record to choose between candidates, rather than the stated position.  Candidates can move away from the platform once in place.

        Warren lost the rank of progressive when she voted for the farm bill in 2013

        by GideonAB on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 10:24:25 AM PST

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    •  She hasn't announced yet (0+ / 0-)

      so how can it "align" itself with her?

      Frankly, I am so sick of hearing this talk i could puke. I can think of few worse choices. Maybe Andrew Cuomo, but that's about it. No, Joe Lie-berman is no longer a Democrat!

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 11:16:31 AM PST

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