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  •  well, at least you're not dissing people (4.00)
    as much as you used to, in the days when you were among those many here suggesting that trying to incite news coverage of the DSM was stupid and a waste of time. So, that's a step forward.

    But the other thing that bugs me about your campaign is that the idea of a "News Strike" -- when BY FAR the most of us here get all the news we read or watch for FREE !!!! -- is just dumb.

    I mean, sorry, but I've seen no evidence at all to suggest that Kossacks subscribe to newspapers or newsmagazines in any greater numbers than most Americans do. and most Americans don't.

    And if they do, it's to their local paper not the Washington Post, and thus your logic of a nat'l strike is dumb there, too.

    congrats on the recommended diaries, Arthur, and keep up your enthusiasm, but really -- considering that most all of us are getting our addictive Kossack news jones and some of us are making our reputations and making $$$ off discussing news that others -- not us -- are paying reporters and editors and typesetters to gather and write and produce -- and that we haven't paid one penny for -- well, it's just a little embarassing, I think, from my pro-labor perspective, that you're using the word "strike."

    •  Good Point About... (none)
      ...the presumptuousness of using the word "strike."  
    •  I agree (4.00)
      there's a lot of bandwidth being spent in here, and a lot of pimping for "recommends," when there frankly doesn't appear to be any meat behind this idea.  There's a logo, though, a lot of cheerleading, and a lot of typing with a lot of carriage returns.  Not to mention several links to other equally verbose and rambling diaries by the author.

      There are somewhere near 60,000 Kossacs here.  They are spread around the globe.  To think that any of us are concentrated enough as subscribers to any one publication is, in my humble opinion, a little egocentric.

      I appreciate calls to action, and I think AG is on to something but needs to refine and focus the idea.  There are a couple of good suggestions in the comments, and I hope that he can pull it together and wish him luck.  I like his energy.

      Say, how do I get me wunna them cool blogger nics?

      by Bob on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:31:32 AM PDT

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      •  Aspartame (none)
        Yeah. Here's the diary:

        "Cancel your subscriptions to periodicals. Why? Because, it's activism!"

        Aesthetically

        of

        course

        you

        can't

        reproduce

        it

        exactly.

        But it seems like sort of a weird and overly broad thing to do considering Time just handed over the Cooper documents, the WaPo is just starting to report on the DSM, the New York Times is publishing stories critical of the war from the troops, and Newsweek just posted their story on Rove's leaking in the Plame case.

        Mixed messages anyone?

        It seems like Arthur Gilroy has the worst timing ever, and if I wasn't completely assured that this idea has come and gone in the past with absolutely no effect -- that it 's merely a superficial rah-rah thing for bored and frustrated folks to yell about -- I might be more vocal about how awful an idea this is right now. This is like waiting until Dean became chair and then quitting the Democratic party because they're corporately owned.  

        Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

        by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:39:39 AM PDT

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    •  Why thank you so much for noticing, Jennifer. (none)
      I gave up dissing for Christmas. YOU know...Santa and all that?

      But I'm "dumb".

      So...out of 50,000+ people here, no one has a subscription to any of the four press outlets I mentioned?

      And no one watches any TV news?

      And no one would be willing to CONTACT the news networks and SAY that they are not going to watch their tripe anymore until they begin to cover ALL the news...even if it was a teeny little lie and they are ALREADY perfectly media pure and/or only PEEK a little once in a while...???

      Yup...dumb of me.

      Thanks again.

      AG

      P.S. Do you remember the story about the young boy who confessed to his priest that he had been jerking off? And the priest said that he'd go blind if he did that and should stop iimmediately?

      Remember the boy's answer?

      "Can't I just keep it up until I need glasses?"

      That's what I am hearing from a lot of people on this blog.

      Now you have already established that I am dumb, so...feel free to ignore this postcript.

      Bye now...

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:41:28 AM PDT

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      •  Acceptable newssources? (none)
        Well, most everyone who's susceptible to being commanded to cancel their print subscriptions because of ideological differences has already done so long ago. There are only a few dozen people left to tap for the autocensorship crusade.

        And the TV media doesn't care when people call in and say they're not going to watch if their ratings stay steady. So, unless you're talking about Nielsen families, less viewers don't cost them a dime.

        Just to make this a positive diary maybe you should put in acceptable news sources as alternatives to Time, Newsweek, WaPo, and the NYT? People aren't going to cancel their only print newssource without a replacement lined up.

        What's a good, fair, and comprehensive paper?

        What's a good, fair, and comprehensive magazine?

        Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

        by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:50:17 AM PDT

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      •  arthur, I was giving you your own back, (none)
        you have in fact been rather intemperate yourself -- but I shouldn't have said it twice, you're right.

        I don't think you're dumb, I didn't say you're dumb -- I'm certainly not dumb, but I've sure had dumb ideas before.

        "refine and focus" -- that's the best advice you've been given in this little piece of the thread.

        putting your money where your mouth is is important, media activism is important, supporting alternative media is important -- I've done it all my life, worked for independent newspapers for years and will again, and I've given $$ and support to various independent media for decades. so you can't put my criticism down to not caring, sorry.

        •  Peace. (none)
          AG

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:41:05 AM PDT

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