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  •  A large majority thought the recall was a (1+ / 0-)
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    bad idea:

    Voters statewide oppose 49 - 38 percent the recall of State Sen. Evie Hudak for supporting stricter new gun control laws. Voters oppose 57 - 36 percent recall efforts for legislators with whom they don't agree, saying they should wait for the regular reelection.

    I think the special election is a different dynamic than passing policy through the legislature. Why?

    The measures that passed are supported by a majority of Colorado voters - and that was the case before the vote and after. No one knows how the majority of voters in Castle Rock feel about the open carry ban repeal because the town council led by the mayor did not poll them - those council members who voted to repeal say they "talked to people in town and heard from people" and from that sample of their constituents decided a majority was with them.

    Just about every public agency - police, police chief, public safety agency, planning commission and down the line was against overturning the ban in Castle Rock. That was not the case with the policy passed by the state legislature.

    Another difference between the state legislature passing its policies and the town council repealing the ban is the supporters of repealing the open carry ban are backed by an extreme lobby (Rocky Mountain Gun Owners) that even the GOP in Colorado disdains.

    What you have in Castle Rock is a mayor who owns a gun club/range and who probably is a member of the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners who seems to be running roughshod over the interests of his constituents.

    Castle Rock is a conservative town, so it will be interesting to see if the referendum gets the 1,800 signatures and if so, if the voters decide to keep the ban in place.

    It's a good barometer as to where voters will be later in the year with respect to guns and whether the issue will be important in 2014. It also will be a good measure of how strong the gun lobby in Colorado really is. This attempt to repeal the ban could backfire and turn moderate GOPers against them once again and split the conservative vote - hopefully. There is a history of that in Colorado - in fact, Evie Hudak who resigned rather than face a gun lobby recall was elected because that same gun lobby was too extreme, and Hudak's GOP opponent refused to support the gun lobby agenda, so they ran another candidate and Hudak won in a three way race.

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 07:00:01 AM PST

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    •  Support for issues (1+ / 0-)
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      Regarding the support for the state-level policies, remember that the two legislators who lost their seats did so because Democrats swung the balance to vote them out (more Democrats turned out to vote than Republicans, so Dems had to have crossed the aisle to vote against retaining these Democrats).

      This sort of flies against the poll numbers. I have asked before if there were any other issues with these legislators that might have caused Dems to vote against them (independent of their gun stance), but I don't think any Colorado Kossacks ever chimed in with an answer.

      •  Marijuana legalization could be one issue. It was (2+ / 0-)
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        popular in the Denver area, but not sure about outside Denver - Pueblo is a ways away. And Colorado Springs, where the other recall was, may also have not been on board with legalization.

        The measure won by a 55% to 44% margin, and most of that 55% came from the Denver area.

        Marriage equality also passed and alternative energy standards for rural areas - so, there were several issues (guns being a big one) that were/could have been unpopular in Pueblo and Colorado Springs where the recalls took place.

        In Pueblo, it may be true that Dems did vote against Giron in large numbers. I am not sure that was the case for Morse in Colorado Springs. The state is about 1/3 GOP, 1/3 Dem and 1/3 Independent.

        Do you have a link that shows the breakdown of votes in the recalls?

        "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

        by We Shall Overcome on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 07:42:48 AM PST

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        •  Here are some Kos diaries (0+ / 0-)

          that mention turnout/spending in that election:

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          •  An interesting thing happend this week (1+ / 0-)
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            at the committee review of the bill attempting to repeal the background check bill - this is the bill proposed by George Rivera who replaced Angela Giron in Pueblo via the recall.

            The bill failed, but it came out in the committee's questioning of the recall sponsor, Victor Head - the guy who got the recall going - that he seems to have lied to Pueblo voters and told them private transfers (loans) of firearms would be made illegal by the bill, and it would make people who transferred (loaned) a gun to a relative, for example, a criminal.

            The truth is, Giron herself drafted an exemption in that bill that would stop that from happening - so that relatives could in fact loan guns to one another for a period of time and not be subject to the background check in that transaction.

            But that didn't stop the recallers from spreading that falsehood in the run up to the vote.

            I think voters will get another chance to weigh in on Giron's old seat - wouldn't it be great for Giron to get on the ballot again and tell the voters the truth, which is she was in fact sensitive to the wishes of her constituents who were concerned that loaning guns to relatives would make them criminals - and so she drafted legislation that specifically addressed that concern? And, pointing out that it was the recall sponsor himself - and maybe Rivera - that was spreading that falsehood?

            "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

            by We Shall Overcome on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 08:28:08 AM PST

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            •  Are you sure? (0+ / 0-)

              The VoteSmart record of the bill shows that the original version that passed in the House already had that exemption language. If you read the changes to the text of bill as it evolved, the things listed as changes due to the House/Senate conference on the VoteSmart synopsis were actually there in the original.

              So while Head may deservedly lose some credibility if he was spreading lies, Giron gets few or no points for creating an exemption that was already there.

              •  It was her committee that added the exemption (1+ / 0-)
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                to the Senate version - they were separate bills that later were reconciled:

                On straight party-line votes, Giron's committee approved bills to prohibit concealed weapons from being carried in college buildings; require that customers pay the cost of background checks; and require background checks on all gun sales or transfers.

                Giron amended the background legislation to exempt gun owners who give weapons to family members and to let them lend weapons to friends for up to 72 hours.

                "Based on what I heard from constituents, I made the background-check legislation friendlier to gun owners," she said.


                The senate version didn't begin with that exemption, it had to be added and Giron added it and the committee approved at their discretion.

                "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                by We Shall Overcome on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:35:16 AM PST

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      •  I would chalk it up to (1+ / 0-)
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        The fact there are only two or three issues that make people "single issue voters". Both sides of the abortion issue and the pro-rights side of the gun control issue are among them.

        •  Don't single issue voters more appropriately (1+ / 0-)
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          belong on web sites reflective of their single issue position?

          There's a word I've heard someplace ... yeah "troll". I'm not sure what it means.

          There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

          by oldpotsmuggler on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 07:53:36 PM PST

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