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  •  More than half of America wants $10.10 (4+ / 0-)

    Fortunately, at this point in time, they're also still allowed to vote.

    Voters rule.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:13:59 AM PST

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    •  He's exactly in line with Arkansas on the (2+ / 0-)
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      minimum wage.  

      See here.

      They support raising it to $8.50 with indexing to inflation.

      •  Standard Republican fallacy in argument (4+ / 0-)

        Supporting a raise to 8.50

        DOES NOT EQUAL

        Opposing a raise to 10.10

        Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

        by Big River Bandido on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:38:14 AM PST

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        •  Do you have a poll that shows they support (1+ / 0-)
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          $10.10?  

          Otherwise, you have these two options.

          1.  $8.50, which you know his voters support.

          2.  $10.10, which is what the President wants but for which he has no data (unless you've seen a poll?) that says his voters support it.  .  

          •  Um, the diarist included this very poll (2+ / 0-)
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            Maybe you should read a diary before commenting on it.  It includes very prominently, a link to this poll.  

            The diarist also very clearly noted in the text of the diary that 52 percent of Arkansas voters favor an increase to $10.10.  

            But then, you don't seem to be here seeking information.

            Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

            by Big River Bandido on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:30:23 PM PST

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            •  Are there any similar polls, not sponsored by (2+ / 0-)
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              an advocacy group, that show the same data?

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 06:52:00 PM PST

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              •  You are grasping at straws, and it's pathetic (0+ / 0-)

                Public Policy Polling (PPP) is not an advocacy group, it's a polling firm.  One of the most accurate, in fact.  Yes, it's a Democratic polling firm...most firms do tend to take one side of the "aisle".  Most of the successful firms these days are Democratic polling firms...reality, you may have heard, has a liberal bias.  And the Republican firms pretty well crapped last time.

                Since you didn't read the diarist's link and since you don't trust "Democratic" polling firms even though this is supposedly a Democratic site — their question on this issue was about as straightforward as could possibly be.  So were the results:

                Q3 Would you support or oppose raising the
                minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $10 an
                hour?

                Support ........................................................... 52%
                Oppose ............................................................ 38%
                Not sure .......................................................... 10%

                In other words, you're jumping in the tank for a politician who is seriously bucking his own constituents, who favor an increase in the minimum wage by 14 percentage points.  It's not even a contest.

                Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

                by Big River Bandido on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 03:27:02 AM PST

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                •  The poll was sponsored by (1+ / 0-)
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                  Americans United for Change and done by a Democratic polling group. I just wanted to know if there was additional polling data sponsored by the media and done by any of the non-affiliated polling services and, if so, how it compared to this poll? If this is the only poll available it's a single data point, but certainly not definitive.

                  My question was a reasonable one and I don't understand your hostile tone.  

                  "let's talk about that"

                  by VClib on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 07:35:18 AM PST

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                  •  Even "media polls" use private firms (0+ / 0-)

                    and nearly all private firms are either "aligned" with one party or another;  it's not easy to find conservative polling firms interested in polling questions on, for example, the minimum wage.  Conservative voters don't want to hear about it, and conservative polling organizations don't want to even be seen raising the issue.

                    My "hostile tone", as you call it, is a combination of anger and bewilderment that there are people who call themselves Democrats but see fit to stick it to working people, yet again.  On a "Democratic" site, no less.  

                    Frankly, no one who opposes a minimum wage increase today has any business in the Democratic Party.  They should go to the Republicans, where they'll fit right in shitting on Democratic and progressive values.  

                    You have a nice day.

                    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

                    by Big River Bandido on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:31:03 AM PST

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                    •  BRB - I support the increase of the minimum (1+ / 0-)
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                      wage to $10.10 using stair steps over the next few years. I never stated or inferred that I didn't favor raising the minimum wage. I have stated many times, in my comments here at DKOS, that I do favor increasing the minimum wage. I don't favor raising the minimum wage to $15/hr because we have no data on how the employment market would react to a more than 100% increase. It has never happened before and I do think that a dramatic increase will lead to a more rapid substitution of automation for labor.

                      "let's talk about that"

                      by VClib on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 02:33:50 PM PST

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