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  •  Well, the Supremes sort of forced him to, (2+ / 0-)
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    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:38:13 PM PST

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    •  Ya, but (3+ / 0-)
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      this does seem kind of "thrown together" in terms of a rollout of additional benefits.

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:47:52 PM PST

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      •  That's because it isn't a rollout, but a rollback. (4+ / 0-)
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        They are rolling back a thrown together interim set of bullshit rules that tried to differentiate between married people living in a state that recognizes their marriage and married living in a state that doesn't. Those rules were always extra-legal and unsupportable and were a hodgepodge of garbage made up on the spot by various agencies in some sort of ludicrous effort to  apply the DOMA slapdown only in those states which agreed with it. They're now giving up on that but trying to make it sound like they're doing something meaningful and progressive.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:00:25 PM PST

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      •  It's a gift horse. (8+ / 0-)

        And this gay man has no intention of looking it in the mouth. Besides, given the number of legal benefits marriage confers, figuring out which ones can be offered to gay couples without congressional action is a time-consuming task. I'm a lawyer, but I hadn't even thought about issues like the application of spousal testimonial privileges to same-sex married couples.

        The administration was slow off the mark on this issue to be sure, but once DOJ changed course on DOMA, its position fell into line. There's also no doubt in my mind that the President's personal endorsement of marriage equality made a huge difference in moving the issue forward. He gave other politicians cover to stand up and do the right thing.

         Yeah, I wish the administration had been out in front of this issue from day one, but they've come around now, and that's a positive development no matter how you slice it.

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:04:34 PM PST

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        •  I don't blame you a bit (4+ / 0-)

          Please remember, however, that the gift horses have been costing us a little more than usual the last ten years, and that some of us are just beyond cynical and frustrated about it.

          I'm speaking of a DOJ, for example, that's been spectacularly good on these types of issues, and so mind-numbingly, egregiously bad on things like "financial fraud".

          I'm GLAD they're doing this, it fixes a lot of things, don't get me wrong. I just can't figure out how they can be so good and so bad at the same time.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 02:21:13 PM PST

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          •  Here's my take: (0+ / 0-)

            It's easier for the administration to do the right thing on LGBT rights because (1) activists have spent years laying the groundwork and (2) our rights cost corporate America and the 1% virtually nothing.

            Nowadays there just isn't all that much resistance to LGBT equality outside of the right wing, and those people are never going to vote Democratic. So there's not much political cost to helping us homos, at least on the national level.

            If letting us marry was going to take any money out of the pockets of the elite, things would look really, really different.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 01:44:44 AM PST

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