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  •  So does that mean you think we should take the (0+ / 0-)

    Canadian Tar Sands Bitumen and refine it in American refineries for export to foreign markets? Do two wrongs make a right in your worldview?

    Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

    by RMForbes on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 06:51:34 PM PST

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    •  Who is the country using the most oil in the world (0+ / 0-)

      With 4.5% of the world's population, the US consumes 25% of the world's oil but only produces about half of that.

      So you want that missing 12.5% to be refined on foreign soil?

      US companies own 30% of the tar sands oil leases. They have also started fracking in Canada, China and Russia in a major way.

      When the US was paving paradise, much of the goo left over when refining oil went to build roads, highways, parking lots and roofing material for houses and malls. It's now made into petcoke for ease of shipment. It now goes to places like China to create the energy needed to produce America's shoes, underwear, appliances, toys and TV's.

      In the last century, the US has consumed, by far, the largest amount of the world's carbon based energy and bears a huge responsibility for the mess the world is in now. It's huge military consumes more than many countries in the world. Cheap and plentiful oil has contributed greatly to the wealth and power of America.

      Down the Pipeline Rabbit Hole

      The State Department study is correct: pipes don’t create carbon pollution, they just transport the crud that when burned causes it. And, just how is it burned? The top two uses of Tar Sands refined bitumen are: gasoline and jet fuel. Yet, I have yet to hear 350, Bill McKibben, James Hansen or the rest of the professional Climate “Movement” call for a moratorium on jet travel and  a huge reduction in Consumption across-the-board; much less being good  models and stopping flying the planet on Wings of Tar Sands, themselves. After all the millions spent on this Tar Sands Campaign and given the existential Carbon Pollution Crisis we face, you’d think that at least one of the paid minions would have come up with a readily-accessible list of end uses of the toxic crap by now for consumers to make educated decisions on! Instead, we get mind-boggling comments like this from McKibben when confronted on his own huge carbon footprint – “Personal consumption doesn’t matter.”

      And, since the fossil fuel-based foundations that fund the KXL distraction obviously won’t allow them to take on, much less even mention, the Consumption elephant, a case can be made that if consumption isn’t drastically lowered and the US will continue to be awash with the crud; therefore, the KXL could very well be the Greener Option  than how it is arriving currently thru old, rusty, leaking pipes and exploding rail cars and  barges. US Midwest refineries are working overtime turning the crud into gas and jet fuel – each of them has an out-gong pipeline direct to the nearby airports! 90% of retail gas in the US Midwest now is Tar Sands-derived, as is close to 100% of jet fuel. (Put that at the top of the End Uses List!)

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