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  •  The person who knew her name HAD to know (none)
    as every thing else about her had been scrubbed.
    Just knowing that Valerie Plame was a CIA employee, when CIA would never admit this, and a subsantial, carefully crafted and maintained legend existed to demonstrate otherwise, means that that person HAD TO KNOW that she was  NOC.

    NOCs are not just handed out to anyone.  They're damned expensive, in both terms of money and manpower, to create and maintain.  The NOC officer herself must be trained to perform the job duties of her cover.  She was trained extensively to appear to the outside world as anything BUT a CIA employee, let alone an intelligence operative.  Her own family--parents, children, siblings, did not know what she really did for a living.  Only her husband knew that information.

    Wounded Warrior Project Give till it hurts. They already did.

    by soonergrunt on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 06:32:46 PM PDT

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    •  " plame is fair game"....rove knew!!! (none)
    •  maybe cheney is hanging rove (none)
      what if cheney thinks that maybe
      a little too much credit is going to
      'turd blossom'. maybe cheney kind of
      get word to rove that plame was 'fair game'
      so that rove would be taken out
      clean up the yard for the real power
      •  I hope to God (none)
        your fucking finger slipped giving me that 2.

        I get a MARGINAL for questioning the validity of a source? Expecting a diary to be sourced on verifiable data is MARGINAL? Calling Wayne Madsen marginal is fucking MARGINAL?

        I'm not rating you now since I expect a reply explaining the rating. Barring that, you just bought yourself a series of goose eggs from one pissed off trusted user.

    •  One other thing (4.00)
      The only way someone could have known that Plame was a NOC was if that person had a Top Secret clearance.  That person would also had to have had Special Compartmented Information clearance.
      There was a limited number of persons who knew or had access to the information that she was a NOC.
      The other law that was broken was the law against disclosing classified information.

      Wounded Warrior Project Give till it hurts. They already did.

      by soonergrunt on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:34:45 PM PDT

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      •  most interesting (none)

        Top secret / SCI is also the clearance that would be needed to have access to the information about NSA breaking Iranian crypto.  Which was leaked to one of Chalabi's guys (Iranian spies).  

        So here we have two really damaging leaks, both of which were by individuals holding separate Top Secret / SCI clearances.

        You get an SCI clearance for an individual category of information, so if you had both pieces (Plame and the Iranian crypto), you'd have two separate SCI clearances.  Strictly speaking, anyone who has one probably has more than one.  But what's interesting here, is that one of them is for SIGINT and one is for HUMINT.  Now that is a very interesting combination.  Very few people have that combination.  Very very few.  

        (Bad me, not realilzing earlier that the Plame/NOC info would be SCI.  I figured the Iranian crypto piece would be one, but it didn't occur to me that the Plame piece would be another.  Another benefit of online collaboration, all the pieces come together.)

        •  Hey G2 (none)
          How'd you get to know about the classified stuff?  FM?

          Dear Lord, please save me from your followers

          by mz on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 06:42:36 AM PDT

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          •  it's all public information... (none)

            Everything I've ever said on dailykos about any of this stuff is public information, readily available to anyone who seriously studies the history of the intel community.  

            As a geek I tend to be more aware of the SIGINT side than the HUMINT side, which is why I didn't figure out that the NOC details would be SCI also.  But soonergrunt got that part, and it makes perfect sense; benefits of online collaboration & information-sharing.  

            •  Yeah (none)
              Didn't mean that you were disclosing anything.  It's just that you seem to know more about security and intel ops issues than informed people usually do.  Good work on keeping it straight.

              Dear Lord, please save me from your followers

              by mz on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 08:01:36 PM PDT

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        •  The only people who have access to multiple (none)
          kinds of information are VERY senior people at CIA, and NSA, both of which are "all-source" intelligence agencies.  It is highly unlikely that CIA or NSA blew her NOC.  For the reasons I mentioned earlier, these agencies are hyper-protective of NOCs and the officers that use them.

          There's one other group of people who typically have access to several different SCI or "codeword" clearances, and they are the customers of these agencies--in other words, policymakers.  Certain members of the National Security Council and limited members of the House and Senate Intelligence oversight committees, and limited members of the staffs of those committees.

          Wounded Warrior Project Give till it hurts. They already did.

          by soonergrunt on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 07:47:20 AM PDT

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          •  agree... (none)

            Good points.  

            Agencies protective of their NOCs: Yes, absolutely.   A NOC who has the slightest doubt about that, is going to be looking for potential exit strategies, which in turn decreases their effectiveness and also increases their chances of exposure.

            "Customers", including staffers: and Bolton's staffers who got to see the transcripts..?  Someone should check their clearances; else Bolton could be in major trouble for letting them see the stuff.  That by itself could derail him.

            There's also a growing suspicion that the words Wilson or Plame will occur in those transcripts, thereby causing the whole ball of yarn to unravel.

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