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  •  You had mainly bad teachers in middle school? (0+ / 0-)

    Really? For all three years? I'm sorry but after 25 years working in public schools and seeing hundreds of classrooms all over the state as part of my job, I don't buy it. Maybe you had a couple bad ones, but if they were all "bad" then I'm inclined to think the problem wasn't the teachers.....

    •  I didn't say all. (1+ / 0-)
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      Middle school is four years where I am from.  And, mainly, means most, but not all.  There were a few OK to good teachers.  I do have a learning disability (which was not known then), but none of them ever tried to see if they could help, which is also part of the job.  This could have been partially because my father was not liked by the district because he was a Democrat in a small rural area (deep red Republican) where reputation is all.  And I have been out of school longer than you have been working in the public school system and probably in a different state.  This was also  back when teachers were not questioned as they are now.  

      •  Yes, well I taught in public schools (3+ / 0-)
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        starting in 1967.  Do the math.  Retired in 2004 but still sub, less now but in the first five years or so, I subbed a lot.

        I have taught in elementary, in middle school, in college.

        Middle school is teaching is the most difficult imo.  But if I said to you that most of the students who failed in my class, or misbehaved were just bad, would you believe me?  I hope not.  Because human beings, teachers included, are more than just one thing.....there are so many variables in every student and every teacher's life, that no one student can judge, just as no one teacher can judge.  Students doing terribly in one class with one teacher may be shining and soaring with another.  A teacher you saw as bad, may have been viewed as wonderful by another student.

        So I don't believe most of your teachers were bad.  They may have not met your needs, or your expectations but that does not make them bad teachers.  As well, pov from an adolescent is hardly a professional observations].  You may not have liked most of your teachers....doesn't mean they were bad teachers.   Students in that age range have a lot going on, physically and emotionally.  Their perception of reality is a bit skewed.  

        I understand that many consider themselves to be "experts" when it comes to teachers/schools cause, ya know, you went to school.     I have ragged on some of my teachers too.  But here's the difference.  I have walked in their shoes and seen it from both sides.  

        “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

        by Jjc2006 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 03:37:07 PM PST

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      •  why not (1+ / 0-)
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        doesn't mean teachers are the cause of poor educational outcomes. That's policies and resources and families, there are so many teachers, some won't be great.   And some schools could get stuck with all the teachers no one else wanted, that's possible.  

        •  I think the issue is also where teachers (5+ / 0-)

          teach. I taught with many good teachers, but I also taught with teachers who skated. I taught in the inner city and many of my colleagues were afraid to walk to their cars alone. One woman was afraid to turn her back to the students to write on the blackboard because someone once threw a penny at the back of her head.

          I knew teachers who stayed awake for days at a time working on their lesson plans and trying to come up with motivational techniques. However, I knew many who taught just to the requirements so they could get by another term. I am union through and through, but a good percentage of teachers I worked with were not worthy to teach someone how to use a napkin.

          Solitude is painful when one is young, but delightful when one is more mature...Einstein

          by tazz on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 07:02:22 PM PST

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          •  that's the down side (1+ / 0-)
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            and it cries for reform, but historically teachers fought for better teaching conditions, safer school, better equipment, they fought for their students, not only their own salaries, and without job security, it would be too easy for disgruntled but powerful parents to get rid of anyone.  And without decent salaries it would be impossible to get career teachers who didn't take a vow of poverty.

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