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  •  Bringing a gun to a bar (6+ / 0-)

    is statistically safe?

    Yes, that's so true- because guns and alcohol go so well together. And, as we all know, people who consume alcohol, "statistically", do not show impairment in judgement or cognition.  Bar fights are nothing more than two or more people, in full control of their faculties, making excellent and logical choices.

    RME, SMH


    The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy. -Charles de Montesquieu

    by dawgflyer13 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 01:27:59 PM PST

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    •  If we use "statistically" and cite flawed studies, (6+ / 0-)

      ones that have been debunked here many times (such as the 2 highly-politicized CDC studies that we've gone over and over, and which depend upon GOP-controlled House funding), then it will be 'scientific', and we can pretend we're scholars and experts on this topic, and become belligerent about people who want to take our guns. </snark> *sigh*

      Or, we could examine real research, taking into account the source of funding and political pressures, and analyze the studies. E.g.:

      "Association between firearm ownership, firearm-related risk and risk reduction behaviours and alcohol-related risk behaviours," Injury Prevention, June 2011
      by Dr Garen J Wintemute, Violence Prevention Research Program, School of Medicine, University of California, Davis.
      ABSTRACT: Alcohol use and firearm ownership are risk factors for violent injury and death. To determine whether firearm ownership and specific firearm-related behaviours are associated with alcohol-related risk behaviours, the author conducted a cross-sectional study using Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System data for eight states in the USA from 1996 to 1997 (the most recent data available). Altogether, 15474 respondents provided information on firearm exposure. After adjustment for demographics and state of residence, firearm owners were more likely than those with no firearms at home to have ≥ 5 drinks on one occasion (OR 1.32; 95% CI 1.16 to 1.50), to drink and drive (OR 1.79; 95% CI 1.34 to 2.39) and to have ≥ 60 drinks per month (OR 1.45; 95% CI 1.14 to 1.83). Heavy alcohol use was most common among firearm owners who also engaged in behaviours such as carrying a firearm for protection against other people and keeping a firearm at home that was both loaded and not locked away. The author concludes that firearm ownership and specific firearm-related behaviours are associated with alcohol-related risk behaviours.


      "Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Fatalities in the United States," Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), May 13, 2013
      by Eric W. Fleegler, MD, MPH; Lois K. Lee, MD, MPH; Michael C. Monuteaux, ScD; David Hemenway, PhD; Rebekah Mannix, MD, MPH
      Results: Over the 4-year study period, there were 121,084 firearm fatalities. The average state-based firearm fatality rates varied from a high of 17.9 (Louisiana) to a low of 2.9 (Hawaii) per 100,000 individuals per year. Annual firearm legislative strength scores ranged from 0 (Utah) to 24 (Massachusetts) of 28 possible points. States in the highest quartile of legislative strength (scores of ≥9) had a lower overall firearm fatality rate than those in the lowest quartile (scores of ≤2) (absolute rate difference, 6.64 deaths/100 000/y; age-adjusted incident rate ratio [IRR], 0.58; 95% CI, 0.37-0.92). Compared with the quartile of states with the fewest laws, the quartile with the most laws had a lower firearm suicide rate (absolute rate difference, 6.25 deaths/100 000/y; IRR, 0.63; 95% CI, 0.48-0.83) and a lower firearm homicide rate (absolute rate difference, 0.40 deaths/100 000/y; IRR, 0.60; 95% CI, 0.38-0.95).

      Conclusions and Relevance: A higher number of firearm laws in a state are associated with a lower rate of firearm fatalities in the state, overall and for suicides and homicides individually.

      "Comment," by Garen J. Wintemute, MD, MPH, JAMA op. cit.:
      Here, there can be no recommendation at all; it is as if the scientists have both hands tied behind their backs.

      In fact, that is precisely what has happened—not just to these investigators, who did well with the data available to them, but to firearm violence researchers generally. The disappearance of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) research program in this field in the 1990s has been well documented. A complementary program at the National Institute of Justice survived longer, thanks to the tenacity of its program officer, but ended after she retired in 2008.

      Today, with almost no funding for firearm violence research, there are almost no researchers. Counting all academic disciplines together, no more than a dozen active, experienced investigators in the United States have focused their careers primarily on firearm violence. Only 2 are physicians. Only 1 has evaluated the effectiveness of an assault weapons ban.6

      Why did this happen? In the early 1990s, scientists were producing evidence that might have been used to reform the nation's firearm policies. To those whose interests were threatened by such reforms, it made perfect sense to choke off the production of the evidence. This effort was led by Congressman Jay Dickey, self-described “point person for the NRA.” It succeeded. When rates of firearm violence were at historic highs and appeared to be increasing, the government abandoned its commitment to understanding the problem and devising evidence-based solutions.
      Now, President Obama has directed the CDC to resume firearm violence research. To my knowledge, however, no CDC researcher has done more than occasional work in this field in 15 years. New funding will need approval by Congress, and the House of Representatives may be unsympathetic.

      There is of course the body of true scientific (vs. politicized by gun-nuts), peer-reviewed journal articles that demonstrated gun-ownership is much more likely to harm the gun-owners, their family, or friends than to deter a threat. E.g.:

      Azrael, Deborah and David Hemenway, “'In the Safety of Your Own Home': Results From a National Survey on Gun Use at Home,” Social Science and Medicine 50(2) (2000): 285-291

      Bailey, James et al., “Risk Factors for Violent Death of Women in the Home,” Archives of Internal Medicine, 157(7) (1997): 777-782

      Kellermann, Arthur L. et al., “Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home,” Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection, and Critical Care, 45(2) (1998): 263-267

      Kellermann, Arthur L. MD, MPH, et al., “Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home,” New England Journal of Medicine, 329(15) (1993): 1084-1091

      Wiebe, Douglas J. PhD., “Homicide and Suicide Risks Associated With Firearms in the Home: A National Case-Control Study,” Annals of Emergency Medicine 41(6) (2003): 771-782

      Wiebe, DJ, "Firearms in U.S. Homes as a Risk Factor for Unintentional Gunshot Fatality," Accident Analysis and Prevention 35(2003)711-716

    •  exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      Alcohol abuse/dependence also appears to have a causal association with the perpetration of violent and impulsive crime, including assault, use of a weapon, theft, property damage, and fraud (Boden et al., 2013). Significant associations have additionally been found between substance use
      disorders and making threats against others with a firearm (Casiano, et al., 2008).
      In addition, consumption of alcohol and drugs increases the risk one will become a victim of a violent crime. In a study that included medical examiner reports from King County, WA, alcohol and illicit drug use appeared to be associated with an increased risk of violent death, including by firearms (Rivara et al., 2009). Among a studied population of homicide victims in Sao Paulo, alcohol consumption was positively correlated with homicide victimization, with firearms causing 78.6% of the deaths examined overall (Andreuccetti et al., 2009).

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      by fcvaguy on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 09:39:28 AM PST

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