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  •  Would you let him vote after what (3+ / 0-)
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    he did to my mother ? Yes or no ?

    If you are for giving felons a ballot ,
    then you are for letting that guy vote .

    The answer can't be , let felons vote , if you would not let that felon vote .
    Another answer might work , but until someone comes up with an answer that never lets that guy vote , there is no answer .

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 09:38:55 AM PST

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    •  You deserve a thoughtful answer to your question (5+ / 0-)

      and I apologize because I had to leave before giving you one.  I got back and I've been trying to organize my thoughts.  

      Let me preface everything with a sincere acknowledgment that your family's experience is heartbreaking and horrific.  I am not going to say "I understand how you feel" because I can't and I hope to god I never experience what you have to gain that understanding.  That said, you have my sincere compassion and sympathy.  I'm sorry for your Mom, that she endured such a heinous assault and sorry for you and your family that someone you love was ever in this situation.

      And that's the problem right there.  Real people experience things that affect them as individuals.  Societies don't.  

      I know you are probably already dismissing what I'm saying, but I hope you keep reading.  Nothing I write is going to change your mind, and I'm not going to try, but I still think you deserve a thoughtful reply.    

      Yes.  I don't want to give that bastard a vote, but yes, I would.  Because I don't know how not to.  

      For me this is in the same category as the Death Penalty.  Pro- DP people always like to pull the Michael Dukakis thing and ask, "What if YOUR [child, mother, wife, etc.] were brutally raped and killed?  Would you vote to let the murderer live?"  My answer is always, "I would be the first in line to flip the switch if anyone ever puts a finger on my young son and I wouldn't lose a minute sleep over it.  BUT I am NOT in that position and I'm GRATEFUL that society has LAWS that take that choice out of my hands."  

      Why?  

      Because until someone can GUARANTEE that the police never make a mistake, that juries are never wrong and that the laws aren't used to unjustly and disproportionately to imprison people of color and people without resources and just plain marginalized people, then I don't think we should use the police, the courts and the law to deprive people of their lives.  

      Believe me...I would want my son's murderer to be dead and hopefully painfully dead.  But I live in a flawed society that makes mistakes and those "mistakes" are not random.  Frequently, they aren't random.  These "mistakes" are made purposefully to keep segments of society dispossessed and disenfranchised and economically bereft.

      Again, I know I'm not swaying you or changing your mind.  I am merely giving you the reason for my answer and please know I am not going to insult you with trying to "argue" with you about it.  I hope you are reading this and that you can see I am honestly not doing that.  You asked for an answer and given your horrifying experience you deserve more than a short one.  

      If anyone ever hurts my son I would want to kill the bastard and make them suffer.  Depriving them of a vote would be the LEAST I would want to do. But I am very, very grateful I live in a society that won't let me do that.  

      And I think I want to live in a society that also admits it is using the mistakes it makes to oppress minorities and disproportionately deprive them of the right to vote by incarcerating them.  

      I am so sorry your family has endured this, indycam.  Your story proves that easy, blanket answers just aren't acceptable.  Please know you are in my thoughts.                    

      Somebody told me that you had a boyfriend who looked a girlfriend that I had in February of last year.

      by koosah on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 03:45:10 PM PST

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