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  •  As one person, I don't make decisions like that (7+ / 0-)

    We don't and never should hand that power to one person.

    But so you don't think I'm dodging your question, I'll try to make clearer the answer I'd tried to make clear above. I believe we all should ensure that all citizens have the vote, including those citizens we have every reason to loathe, because once exceptions are made for a few, there are and always will be those who will work to expand those exceptions.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 09:46:41 AM PST

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    •  You would or would not give him a ballot ? (0+ / 0-)

      Yes or no .

      I believe we all should ensure that all citizens have the vote, including those citizens we have every reason to loathe,
      You would give him a ballot .

      You are for criminals voting .
      There is one one you would stop from voting .
      You would give a ballot to murders , rapists , pedophiles , arsonists , terrorists , etc etc etc .
      You would even give a ballot to a person who has committed election fraud .

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 09:58:58 AM PST

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      •  So long as someone is a US citizen (6+ / 0-)

        there is NO crime that I believe should debar voting. The only conceivable legitimate reason to remove the franchise from criminals is the worry that they might somehow succeed via the ballot in decriminalizing certain crimes. There is absolutely no way they can do this if the majority of noncriminals feels differently. This will never be true of the crimes of murder, rape, pedophilia, arson, terrorism, etc.

        I do not see removing the civic voice of felons out of a desire for revenge as a legitimate reason, especially as the vast majority of felons do not fall into the categories you list. Moreover, there are all too many reasons to disenfranchise voters to gain electoral advantage. This has had and continues to have a pernicious effect upon our democracy, as pointed out in the diary.

        My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
        --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

        by leftist vegetarian patriot on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 10:18:49 AM PST

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      •  You seem to have trouble comprehending (2+ / 0-)
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        The answer has already been "yes" in multiple instances.

      •  Citizens, not criminals. (6+ / 0-)

        Once a person has served his time, he should return to society with the same rights as other citizens.  The right to vote attaches to citizenship, and it's a fundamental right.

        If one were to pursue your argument to its logical end, we would continue to disenfranchise countless thousands of black and brown men who have ended up in prison as a result of a "justice" system that's heavily skewed against them.  Is that what you want?

        The person you're discussing committed a horrible crime, and perhaps he received a sentence that was insufficiently severe (you seem to indicate that).  But that's an entirely separate issue which has more to do with either the particular state's penal code or the sentencing judge.  

        In the end, you may simply believe this person cannot be rehabilitated.  If that's the case, though, then the solution is not to deprive all former felons of the right to vote; it's to keep this guy in jail for the rest of his life.

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 10:37:24 AM PST

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