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  •  Not Reasonable (2+ / 0-)
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    high uintas, IndieGuy

    You're the one denying that Federal lands are used for ranching, and insisting that the only viable use of land is by humans.

    You're not reasonable.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 11:49:54 AM PST

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    •  What's wrong with using federal land for ranching? (1+ / 0-)
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      ban nock

      I know the vegans don't like it, but I'm not a vegan.

      •  There wouldn't be anything wrong with it (0+ / 0-)

        IF it were done in moderation - no overgrazing;
        IF the people of the United States were justly compensated, i.e., market rate leasing fees paid to the US Treasury;
        IF if were limited to appropriate areas and not allowed to scar or otherwise damage sensitive areas.

        In fact, none of those conditions are met. The leases often go for ridiculously low amounts of money, the land is often severely overgrazed, and ecologically sensitive areas are often trampled or otherwise damaged. Many ranchers have come to think of the land as something that is their "right" to use, rather than being good custodians of the public property upon which they make their profits.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:50:51 PM PST

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        •  Question (0+ / 0-)

          If federal grazing rights were so underpriced, why do ranchers routinely pay far higher prices for grazing rights on private land and state-owned land? Think there might be a market defined by relative grazing quality? Nah, not at all.

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