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  •  I'm growing quite irked (8+ / 0-)

    with these holier than thou 'hahaha the South is a joke, you deserve what you've got' sentiments. A lot of people have been pushing hard against the prevalence of fundamentalist conservativism for a long time, and comments like this belittle their struggle and the strides that have already been made. Liberals are the underdog in the fight for NC, often working with meager funds while the other side has money pumped in from mega churches and Koch affiliates. Instead of looking down your nose at the them, why not climb down from your high horse and try to help?

    •  No one is saying the South is a joke. (4+ / 0-)
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      I am originally from Texas. I moved away when I joined the Army in 1980. I haven't lived there in 34 years but still have family and friends there. They all watch Fox religiously. They think Obama is the great Satan, and Obamacare means death panels. It is heartbreaking to hear them talk about the fact their grown children, who are employed, have no health insurance.  A recent question a friend asked on Facebook:  "Where can my grown son go to see a doctor if he has no health insurance?" Answer from other well-meaning friends:  "the county hospital in Ft. Worth has a free clinic one half day a week." I posted a response on my FB page:  "Dear friends, If you can't get health insurance, it means you have a lousy government in Texas. Please stop voting against your own best interests. Please stop voting for the millionaires' interests.   If you have no health insurance, you need to get a different government. Yes, these things are related. Cause and effect. Please change."
      Crickets.
      So sad to me.
      These people were my best friends in high school.
      So sad to see their children having medical conditions that they cannot afford to treat due to lack of insurance.
      But in the end, in a democracy, you get what you vote for.
      It is sad to see that Fox has a stranglehold on the political message in certain states. Fox is keeping my family and friends in the category of "low-information voters". It is also sad to see people unable to think for themselves. Unable to see the very facts in front of their faces. It doesn't help that Rick Perry turned down the Medicaid expansion for Texas. That would have helped my friends buy a nice silver Obamacare plan.

      "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it." - President Barack Obama, Second Inaugural Address, January 21, 2013.

      by surfermom on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 07:21:40 AM PST

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      •  It is a shame (3+ / 0-)

        how much FauxNews owns the rhetoric in the South. People I love in NC voting against their own interests has been a gut-wrenching frustration of mine for a while now. Still, I have little patience for the blanket statement snarks, because they inherently dismiss all the people who don't fit under that Southern stereotype umbrella. I did quite a bit of political volunteering in NC before I moved, especially during the Amendment One lead-up, and I despise seeing the hard work of me and my compatriots brushed from the conversation in favor of poking fun at Southern conservatives.

        NC is much more divided than most realize...it's not 90-10 conservative/liberal like many Southern states, and I feel his comment and others like it fail to reflect that.

    •  "Try to Help" ... How ? (2+ / 0-)
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      The last time I went South, "trying to help" ... I was glad to get off with only a mild roughing-up and a vicious dressing-down -- both by uniformed officers.

      "But what the hell...  it's home" - Tom Lehrer

      •  Donating to org.'s (1+ / 0-)
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        like Southern Equality is a good start. Or how about volunteering for a phone bank during election times? Most internet-based banks let you call voters in other states. Or donating to the Dem offices in heavily gerrymandered districts. Or watching for and signing petitions to Southern state legislatures/governors when they crop up. Just a few great ways to help, and you don't even have to leave your computer.

    •  I'm growing quite irked (0+ / 0-)

      with the specific issue of hearing people I know tell me how much better living in North Carolina is than living in Massachusetts, only to move there and whine incessantly about how wrong they were when it was perfectly foreseeable.

      I'm also growing quite irked with having a national government that is nine steps to the right of where it should be thanks to the South. God bless native southerners fighting this uphill battle, but the only damn hope is demographic change. Native white southerners who happen to be liberal have been a small minority for over 200 years.

      Current Senate composition in the South: 20 R, 8 D
      Current Senate composition outside the South: 47 D, 25 R.

      Current House composition in the South: 110 R, 42 D
      Current House composition without the South: 158 D, 122 R

      (and that's with a bunch of non-southern states gerrymandered, and most of the Democratic seats in the South due to the VRA or northern transplants)

      2000 Presidential election in the South: Bush 168, Gore 0.
      2000 Presidential election outside the South: Gore 266, Bush 103.

      (Yes, I know, Bush didn't really win Florida)

      2004 Presidential election in the South: Bush 173, Kerry 0.
      2004 Presidential election outside the South: Kerry 252, Bush 113.

      2008 Presidential election in the South: McCain 118, Obama 55.
      2008 Presidential election outside the South: Obama 310, McCain 55.

      2012 Presidential election in the South: Romney 138, Obama 42.
      2012 Presidential election outside the South: Obama 290, Romney 68.

      “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:58:20 AM PST

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      •  Because red in the western states (0+ / 0-)

        with backward policies has nothing to do with any of our problems either. I also must have missed the part where nutbag Repub. senators and reps only come from Southern states.

        I understand what you're saying, but I think this line of thinking only leads to further divisiveness, when progressives should be doing what we can to maintain a united push against the very things you mentioned.

      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        Even Massachusetts had a lapse in judgment and voted for Romney.

        Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

        by moviemeister76 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 11:54:38 AM PST

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        •  Massachusetts (0+ / 0-)

          has about half the populace with a fetish for "balance." People like Perot and John Anderson did very well here.

          With the 80%+ Democratic legislature, there's a long history of voting for Republican governors who seem "moderate." But, heck, even when Romney was governor we got a better version of Obamacare, not evisceration of the right to vote and wholesale slashing of teacher salaries.

          “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 12:38:42 PM PST

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          •  North Carolina is the same (2+ / 0-)
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            There is actually a history here of governors trying to appear above politics. You are also not taking into consideration the fact that the NC Democratic Party has taken a major hit in the past seven or eight years due to corruption. Both our governor and our House speaker, both Democrats, fell under that. This led to a lot of people voting for the Republican Party at the state level in 2010 out of retribution.

            Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

            by moviemeister76 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 12:50:23 PM PST

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            •  We don't have that problem! (0+ / 0-)

              We had three straight Democratic House Speakers federally indicted (and either convicted or pled), the LG forced to resign (though he was railroaded), the previous state Treasurer

              but this was practically the only state in the nation where Republicans got their butts handed to them in 2010 anyway. The GOP brand, especially as it's veered off into Tea-Party-land, is anathema here.

              On a serious note, those of us working in the trenches don't necessarily think this is a good thing. I'm happy that Massachusetts voters are so off-put by the national GOP, but the end result is that conservative-leaning people run as Democrats here rather than Republicans. We have many "Democrats" who might be considered liberal for South Carolina but in, say, New Jersey or Connecticut, they'd be Republicans. Many places carried by Scott Brown or Mitt Romney have "Democrats" representing them in the leg.

              These people help elect speakers and chair committees. It moves the Dem caucus rightward, and getting truly progressive things through our legislature can be challenging. Though I still think we're far ahead of other states, and I'm not looking to trade.

              “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

              by fenway49 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 05:46:17 AM PST

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              •  Corruption was a big deal here (0+ / 0-)

                Usually, folks don't get indicted for corruption in North Carolina. I've noticed that trend throughout the South. The parties are so powerful that the law is just overlooked.

                And for a long time, the state level Democrats weren't much different than the Republicans. Both sides were mostly filled with moderate conservatives. The problem was that multi-millionaire Art Pope primaried the moderate Republicans in 2010 and funded a bunch of far-right Republicans instead. So when voters went to elect Republicans, thinking that they wouldn't be that much different than Democrats anyway because they hadn't been for decades, they got a big surprise. A lot of people who voted for Republicans out of retribution voted for Democrats in 2012, but the damage was done due to gerrymandering.

                Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

                by moviemeister76 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:05:03 PM PST

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