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    Even Massachusetts had a lapse in judgment and voted for Romney.

    Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

    by moviemeister76 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 11:54:38 AM PST

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    •  Massachusetts (0+ / 0-)

      has about half the populace with a fetish for "balance." People like Perot and John Anderson did very well here.

      With the 80%+ Democratic legislature, there's a long history of voting for Republican governors who seem "moderate." But, heck, even when Romney was governor we got a better version of Obamacare, not evisceration of the right to vote and wholesale slashing of teacher salaries.

      “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 12:38:42 PM PST

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      •  North Carolina is the same (2+ / 0-)
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        There is actually a history here of governors trying to appear above politics. You are also not taking into consideration the fact that the NC Democratic Party has taken a major hit in the past seven or eight years due to corruption. Both our governor and our House speaker, both Democrats, fell under that. This led to a lot of people voting for the Republican Party at the state level in 2010 out of retribution.

        Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

        by moviemeister76 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 12:50:23 PM PST

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        •  We don't have that problem! (0+ / 0-)

          We had three straight Democratic House Speakers federally indicted (and either convicted or pled), the LG forced to resign (though he was railroaded), the previous state Treasurer

          but this was practically the only state in the nation where Republicans got their butts handed to them in 2010 anyway. The GOP brand, especially as it's veered off into Tea-Party-land, is anathema here.

          On a serious note, those of us working in the trenches don't necessarily think this is a good thing. I'm happy that Massachusetts voters are so off-put by the national GOP, but the end result is that conservative-leaning people run as Democrats here rather than Republicans. We have many "Democrats" who might be considered liberal for South Carolina but in, say, New Jersey or Connecticut, they'd be Republicans. Many places carried by Scott Brown or Mitt Romney have "Democrats" representing them in the leg.

          These people help elect speakers and chair committees. It moves the Dem caucus rightward, and getting truly progressive things through our legislature can be challenging. Though I still think we're far ahead of other states, and I'm not looking to trade.

          “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 05:46:17 AM PST

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          •  Corruption was a big deal here (0+ / 0-)

            Usually, folks don't get indicted for corruption in North Carolina. I've noticed that trend throughout the South. The parties are so powerful that the law is just overlooked.

            And for a long time, the state level Democrats weren't much different than the Republicans. Both sides were mostly filled with moderate conservatives. The problem was that multi-millionaire Art Pope primaried the moderate Republicans in 2010 and funded a bunch of far-right Republicans instead. So when voters went to elect Republicans, thinking that they wouldn't be that much different than Democrats anyway because they hadn't been for decades, they got a big surprise. A lot of people who voted for Republicans out of retribution voted for Democrats in 2012, but the damage was done due to gerrymandering.

            Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

            by moviemeister76 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:05:03 PM PST

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